Z-Cars - Introductory Match Theme - Opinions

I now really fancy a boiled hotdog with onions.

I don't even notice the song half the time to be honest.

 

Ratrap ,you are thinking of zucchini I think.Zucchero means sugar,but I suspect you know that!

Keep Zcars for me but I understand why some what it gone.

 

Given the "Watford family" mood that prevails, how about "We are Family" by Sister Sledge.

just a thought but better than Z cars

 

What was that stupid song we had, with someone talking at the beginning, think it may have been from Gladiator or something similar?

 

Am I the only person who doesn't really care?

 

Yes

The REAL fans care about things like this.

 

:doom:

 

Z-Cars is such a strong link to our history and it evokes so many of the happy memories I have of watching football at The Vic. Whether standing on the NE Terrace or sitting in the Rous, East stand or Rookery it has always made the hairs on my neck stand up at the start of the match. To drop 50 years of tradition that is unique to our club* would be cultural vandalism. I would be both sad and angry to see it dropped.

*yes I know that they play it at Goodison but is as much associated with Watford as it is Everton.

 

Agree with yeller...its a tradition that all of us have grown up with. Any choice to replace it will not improve the game/atmosphere/our goal difference/the football experience so I say leave as is

 

This. Plus the drum roll is an ace way to signify the teams coming out.

 

Pre-match atmosphere was destroyed by pumping bass lines played so loud you couldn't hear yourself sing for the last twenty five years +. Does bugga all for the atmosphere at Chelsea either, so it's unfortunate that people hold it up as an example here.

I think this is related to Jokanovic's 'Expectation' comments. Do you expect the music will get you pumped up, or do you expect your singing to pump up the team. The pumping tunes stop before the game gets going, and no one is singing in the silence it leaves behind. It suppresses our fans like it doe the away fans. Z Cars signifies that the 'Orns are about to enter the Arena, and that brings me to my feet because that is what I have been made to expect, and by the time it ends I'm on my feet singing.

People need to know the difference between temporarily being lifted by basic pleasing Jungle rhythms, and the building of expectation by the use of familiar sounds and memories that remind you why you are at the Vic, and of the shared experiences we have there, and that through all the rubbish we have experienced through the years, and the good times, the one constant, the only constant, has been the tune that played us up the league, into the top tier, into Europe, down the league and back up again. It is the only thing the club brings to the game now that was there when I was a kid, it will always mean the 'Orns are on their way.

If you don't like it, go and support Chelsea, because that is all you deserve.

 

OK. But it's not unique then! The argument to keep Z-Cars sounds a bit to me like the argument to keep pounds, shillings and pence way back when. It's traditional, why change?, we'll never understand or get used to the new money etc.etc. mostly voiced by the older generation. In the event it took about a fortnight for everyone to become au fait with the new money and be perfectly happy with it. But there's always inertia to change.

I've made it clear what my choice would be supported and pre-empted by a few others. Some on here like summaries. Well if you were to summarise the 1881's agenda and the Joka's comments after a surprisingly quiet atmosphere v Norwich then it might be 'Let's Work Together'. And there's this song sitting right there which has the exact same title! Apart from the opportunity for plenty of COYH's in the chorus there's even a line in the first verse, 'C'mon now people let's get on the ball' - How good is that and fairly easy to adapt I'd have thought? The whole thing just fits perfectly with our club and ethos and everything.

- Squibba thinks it's too 'country'. Fair enough but it's classic country rock actually mate which is probably on most student union juke boxes around the country (as are most classic 70's rock tracks) as well as remembered from way back by the 'old fogies'

- some would like an Elton track. Fair enough again but sometimes it's time to move on

- some have said Z- Cars is only played for a bit anyway, nobody really listens and it just serves to announce the teams are coming out. Fair enough again. But it doesn't have to be like that does it and Z-Cars is hardly sing-along? The Let's Work Together track is about 3 mins long. Just play the whole thing then. Get people to join in and then the teams come out towards the end of it?

To me it's a total no-brainer. But that's only my opinion of course ...

 

well put Freud,so what you are saying is if a fan doesn't like an entrance song they dont deserve to support their team?

 

Agreed. Like Pavlov's dogs, I know what to expect when that drum goes.

If any supporters like this 'music' made with computers and ****, you can all **** off and support Chelsea you *****.

 

Suppose I want to **** off and support Arsenal instead huh? What then?

 

Ive been going since eighties and I don t like it. Its not nostalgic , just a bit crap.

 

Brilliant...the best argument so far for keeping it then.

 

No. What I mean is, if you neither understand or embrace the club's traditions, maybe you should ask what your motivation is for supporting Watford. Is it to bend the club to your ideal, like a partner settling for second best but trying to create the spouse they want against their will; or is it to celebrate the club, its history, and its future for what it is, like loving someone so much you accept and celebrate their quirks because that is what makes them who they are.

People can query these things as much as they like, and I wouldn't question anyone's right to do so or to call themselves a Watford fan. But I think it is fair also to suggest to people with such dismissive views of our clubs traditions that they may be better off with a team that has broken so many of its bonds to the fans and the traditions that made it the club it was.

If you want a club that doesn't care about these things, I hope it will never be Watford.

Freud

 

PhilippineAr5e

I don't recommend it. Stay wth the boys.

 

When we did really well at our own Olympics in 2012 the cyclists did best of all. Dave Brailsford, their head coach's strategy was called 'the philosophy of small margins'. Basically this meant that if you slightly improve every tiny little thing that is pertinent to your team's fortunes, however insignificant it might seem, then the sum will be far greater than the parts.

We need a similar philosophy and the tunes our team run out on the pitch to are part of that ...

 

well thats ok then, I am far from dismissive of the clubs traditions, I started a campaign several years ago when they wanted to change the clubs badge and lose the hart. As I have previously said we have kept our badge, colours, nickname and managed to stop our ground name being prostituted out, an entrance song has become 'tradition' to some but not others.

 

It's only my opinion, but I think lets work together is lamer than Z Cars, no offence, and it doesn't have fifty years of tradition behind it. I don't think it will offer any positive margin. Z Cars is the only tune that offers any kind of margin, so even if people don't appreciate it musically, why not just get behind it for what it is: the tune that always means the 'Orns, more so than any other tune to practically everyone at the games.

 

I agree & for me another reason to keep Z-Cars. It is a connection to our past & represents what makes Watford distinct and different. Alienating the many people for whom it is an important part of the match day experience would do us no favours at all on the pitch.

Hull Tigers? Cardiff City in red? No Z-Cars at VR? Pah!

 

like it or not, but do not even suggest it is not tradition, because that would be a bit like saying we don't play in yellow.

 

I've never seen Z-Cars, when does the new series start?

 

its on ITV+50

 

Strange that. I have always tended to know as kick off approaches that the Horns are on their way, regardless of Zcars. This natural instinct of mine comes in useful when I watch them playing at another ground and Zcars is nowhere to be heard. It is also pretty strange that the atmosphere when Watford play away amongst the 1,000 to 2,000 odd travelling 'orns, is usually far noisier than at the Vic as the game approaches.

As for the Chelsea bit, I was at the Chelsea Spurs game in December and what they did as the match approached really did work.

 

Is it? I've never heard it used anywhere other than on Z-Cars reruns, Everton games and Watford games. Not that I attend sectarian rallies, mind.

I remember when Vialli changed it to "Superman". It didn't go down well.

 

What is your point?

 

It is ironic that people saying that we need to "stick together" think it is sensible to take a step that would do more than almost anything else to divide our support.

 

We've got the same ground as 50 years ago, the stands are named after the former manager and owner, We still play in yellow, on a green pitch, etc. We do not need a tune played on a clarinet and Johnny Keating and his orchestra.

 

Z Cars is hideous, just a weirdly syncopated, tinny piece best left to Everton. Get rid. And I say this as an old git.

We had the Pistols, The Jam, The Specials, Bob Marley, Brotherhood of Man etc in the late 70's/80's. We don't need shyte nostalgia, let's have the real thing. In fact let's have 'The Real Thing' 'Can You Feel the Force?'.

 

Who would it divide? Or rather, is anyone going to stop going because of it?

 

It was picked because it was manager Bill McGarry's favourite T.V show, thank god he wasn't watching Steptoe and sons or university challenge that also debuted the same year!