Ok....I'm happy you've gone back to the original point I was making in the first place, which was our form has not been very good since the turn of the year. People have gone to great lengths to deny this though or "muddy the water" for what reason I know not. The offside was one small part of the bigger picture. As always, it's the same few who tend to group together and hound a particular person’s view point. I'm not accusing you of this btw, as I see you as a good forum contributor, even though we don't always see eye-to-eye. I just detest this type of cyber bullying and I see it going on this forum all the time to other posters. I call these people the "empty vessels". They make a big noise but contribute nothing. Their only aim in life (as a poster on here anyway) is to pull apart a view point or to twist it around by using what they consider the weakest part of someone’s argument to try and destroy it. Maybe it's something lacking in their own personal life which makes them do this, I don't know, but it seems to give them great pleasure. Now with the offside, I could have said "oh yes, I'm wrong", but I don't consider that I am.....so why should I say something I do not think is right just to appease the empty vessels? I will admit to a bit of devilment in this though. The photo I put up of the offside was done as a joke, but was taken seriously so I ran with it. My view of the offside was it was an incredibly tight decision, but this was denied and claimed as "blatant". No one can be serious when they say it's blatant. The incident was at high speed in real time. Already it has been shown that the only time Giroud could be considered offside was for 1/12th of a second!! No one can judge that so accurately, so the linesman got lucky with his call. Whether he was actually offside when you analyse it under a microscope is largely immaterial. It's the general feeling of "everything's going our way" which is what I was saying. Why that general view was abused by some, is a bit strange, as when I speak to people in the "real world" everyone saw it the same way as me and understood the point. Arsenal was a great result, we played a good game against them but had all the luck on the day. Football is like that sometimes. It doesn't mean we didn't deserve to win, as we did, but if we played the same type of game against them again, where they create so many good chances, have 71% possession, where we only have 2 on-target shots at their goal etc, etc, I very much doubt we'd end up winning the match.
By the way I've enjoyed a similar experience when reading your posts in "Brussels Terror Attacks". You have quite some front when you are equally committed to your view, by shooting anyone and everyone down that opposes you.
No, I disagreed with them on opinion and I am not even 100% sure of my opinion myself. If anyone proves that I am wrong, like that offside photo did you, then I will accept it. Who has proved me wrong, and where, and I will go back and admit it and apologise if necessary. Quite happy to.
I was pretty much agreeing with about the way WFC play. But I thought you spoilt it by continually arguing the offside issue. Anyway, let's just move on now.
You are the same as quite a few on here, in that you are blind to yourself. You can point the perceptive finger at someone else and say you are wrong, wrong, wrong.....but for the mere fact the opinion is different to yours. Your experiences in life form your opinion and I know you have a fixed mind from the way you write, which is fine by me, as I like debating with people with strong views. What I don't like is the hypocritical nature of those that say your opinion is wrong. With the offside photo, it had to be slowed down to a couple of frames before it looked like a bent knee was offside. It was impossible for a linesman, or anyone, to have categorically detected this in real time. It was lucky for us he raised his flag, and lucky for him it can be proved, by the tiniest of margins, that he may have got it right. This is where you and others have failed to grasp, intentionally or not, the point I was making. Whether it was technically offside or not doesn't really matter in this example. The decision was so fine, that either decision would have been accepted. Had the flag stayed down, I doubt anyone would have even noticed. Those marginal decisions are always 50/50 in nature. This is why I said, on the day we got all the calls. It's my opinion after all......so how can that be possibly be wrong? It can be debated, and someone can change their mind with good quality argument, but a point of view cannot be wrong, as it's subjective.
You see, this is where it all gets twisted. The "empty vessels" pick away at something they think they can discredit you with, a bit like pulling the thread of one of your woolly jumpers, in the hope it all unravels. Others see this and jump on the bandwagon without really understanding the post fully. The only person who really knows what's going on is the originator, as he is the only one truly aware of all the posts. Before long you are being attacked from all angles and it makes you look a bit crazy at times. But I like to respond to people's posts and I like to put the EV's in their place, as they need it from time to time.
You are saying the linesman was lucky, I disagree, both myself and my dad while watching called the offside as the ball was played. I'd say the majority of people would've seen it too, nevermind a linesman
That's fine, but the TV replay clearly shows it was a marginal decision not an obvious one. Of course fans will appeal for offside, as it is in vain hope that it will be given, not because you are 100% convinced. Where I was no one called it, but were delighted to see the flag go up.
I'd rather be an empty vessel than a troll. Yes, a troll. A very intricate and persistent troll, but a troll nonetheless. You've been the only person proved wrong (you can't see where I know) and nobody agrees with you, but you persist with the passive aggressive rants. You could help yourself very easily, but you seem to have zero emotional intelligence.
Even now you persist with the bizarre interpretation of a photograph everyone has access to. Everyone can see that basically the whole of Giroud, barring his trailing leg, is in an offside position when the ball is played. It's a pretty simple call to a PL linesman. Yet to you it's just a 'bent knee' in an offside position. A freakily good decision by a linesman who closed his eyes, said a little prayer and raised his flag on the off chance Giroud was in fact offside. It's baffling. I've no idea why you need to constantly minimise it but it's rather funny to watch you try. As for empty vessels, attacks from all sides, cyber bullying, twisting points etc. I have no idea if you include me in that - I really couldn't care less. But I will be clear the sole reason I picked up on the Giroud part of your post is that we've had a couple of decent debates about offside decisions in the past and, given you are demonstrably and plainly wrong on this one, I wanted to explore why. It turns you won't even begin to countenance that you might be wrong, despite every single other contributor telling you that you are. The fact that then became the theme of the thread is your doing, no one else's. I'll skip talking refereeing decisions with you in future. Debating the borderline or 'open to interpretation' ones would be no fun at all if you won't even accept you're wrong on a black and white one like this.
Anyone remember when arsenal replayed their fa cup tie against Sheffield Utd? Surely we should do the same here.
I don't consider you an empty vessel, actually I don't really consider you at all. Not being rude, but I don't remember your posts, so I certainly do not have someone like you in mind when I say this. As far as I know you're a usual poster on here, but I'll have to look back and see where you've popped up. I don't have any issues being considered a troll.....maybe I'll even change my name to trollboy1.
Writes post complaining about trolling and cyber bullying. Admits trolling and cyber bullying in same post.
I understand you like to twist things, as it floats your boat, but to make things up in the hope people will just take your word and not read the post you quoted is a bit much, even for you.
It's clear as day from your post. Unless, yet again, you mean something completely different from the words you've actually written.
Highlight the bits in that post which say I complain about trolling? Where do I admit to cyber bullying? Should be easy if it's clear as day. I don't expect a reply.
Complains about trolling whilst admitting name calling (cyber bullying) in the same paragraph. Admission of trolling in the same post. It's one thing to complain and call others 'empty vessels' because they have the gall to disagree with your proven incorrect viewpoints but to then indulge in the same behaviour as those you criticise leaves you on pretty shaky ground.
That would explain why you didn't originally think it was offside, as did those around you. I was watching on TV and called it straight away, as the camera was in line with play. Just like the linesman did
Howsabout letting it go goingdown. Hb1 is puzzled at the initial reaction, and stubborn in regards to accepting he might be wrong. There's an almost robotic feel to his posts which genuinely makes me concerned he's not completely sane... A very good friend of mine is the same in real life and would argue his point endlessly despite 6 of us explaining and proving for example that Wayne Rooney wasn't the lightest man utd player at 9 stone (true story). Hb1, you need to learn to empathise with others, understand how people see things and learn when to back down, for generally you seem intelligent and interesting. I'm going to hazard a guess you work with maths or analytics or perhaps are autistic?
Both examples bare no resemblance of what you are excusing.......even with the twist of a corkscrew in a tornado. To defend yourself from attacks is perfectly acceptable behaviour, but when someone goes after another without provocation, then this is what I object to and is cyber bullying. I never go after anyone unprovoked. This is just not something I do, nor do I abuse anyone. But if someone goes "open season" on me, then I have the right to defend my point just as much as anyone. Even calling posters "empty vessels" is fine, as I have not directly accused anyone of this by name. If you think it's a reference to yourself, then it's your own conscience telling you that, not me. Again I ask, where have I ever complained about trolling? Never have done.....only you have said that from thin air.
Wow...your insight is scary. I am actually an autistic, analytical maths teacher. But I am perfectly sane, it's just all the others that are crazy. :]]
I suppose this is as close as I'll ever get to an apology from you, so no hard feelings and I accept it with good grace.
Congratulations...you've done the impossible and created a thread that's even duller than the actual game
Ah, it's not trolling or bullying if you do it. Got it. I suppose if someone can't admit they were wrong about an offside decision when clearly shown then they aren't going to acknowledge their own faults when clearly shown. I'll let you have the last word as I know how deeply important it is to you.
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