But he can play a pass, find team mates regularly, and moves intelligently. Bearing in mind how the rest of the team are playing stylistically, Okaka seems a much better fit than Deeney or Gray. We can point out his shortcomings as much as we like, but ultimately we don't get to pick from a pool containing every striker in the world. We get to pick from what we have. Based on those we have, Okaka seems a much better fit than the other two. Neither Deeney nor Gray look particularly good as as a lone striker, in all honesty.
Okaka was another who made a bigger impact as sub at times but when he did start the defenders knew they were in a game. Also was able to control the ball and win a few free kicks like Deeney used to do.
I suspect Deeney will get done for this, but will they also look at Shawcross who clearly head-butts Deeney? I've not heard anything mentioned about this in the media. Poll hopes Deeney gets a ban, but says nothing about the Stoke player's involvement. http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co....gainst-stoke/story-30536577-detail/story.html
There was some chap on Glory horns saying Deeney should be banned by the club themselves! I think the Stoke fans themselves were a bit worried Shawcross will get into bother! I am guessing the rule on a booking meaning nothing can be done has been changed?
Wasnt a headbutt. Look at it in real time.. https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/shocking-fight-watfords-troy-deeney-stokes-joe-allen/ It was a coming together of heads though and yes those are usually punished.
Usually because one of the players then falls to the floor in a heap screaming blue murder! Shawcross himself is hardly a lightweight so Deeney must have pushed him pretty hard and was probably lucky not to get a red for that because seen those happen resulting in a red card.
This is true.. though not on this occasion as Troy has got he's got his hands around another players neck giving him extra stability *Not that i think he would anyway*
So while mashing up one of the wee canute's dishes, big Troy sends one of their supposed hard men to the ground with a playful shove. T.ssrs the lot of them. What we witnessed yesterday was a 'triumph' for anti-football 'masterminded' by that Welsh tw.t. So that makes two 'Welsh tw.ts' West Midlandsish then. It's a pity our Troy didn't give him a smack too as well as the other Welsh tw.t in the baseball cap. What have the Potters and the Scummers got in common? Answer - their towns are regularly voted 'worst place to live in the UK'. Imagine vying with the Scummers for the honour! Now apparently they both have completely sh.te football teams as well. So aren't we all lucky that none of us were born in either of those dumps then?
Probably the same lot that believed Britos shouldn't play for us again. Wait, that was on here.... Also probably the lot that have praised Silva as the second coming yet criticise his decision making over Okaka (when we lose). Oh, that's here too.
Amazing writing off of a player on the basis of one rancid team performance in the League Cup. Hughes' game clearly isn't about pace and power but his footballing brain and ability on the ball. Having said that, the Championship is also a physical league and he's shone in that at a very young age. Also, I don't know where you were sitting but Hughes actually fashioned our best chance of the whole game with a great touch - when he fell backwards to cushion a ball into the path of Andre Gray who should've scored but had his shot blocked by Shawcross.
Okaka is also wonderfully inconsistent... Looks like a world beater, then like he's never seen a football before
TBH The guy saying it seems to have a a real beef with Deeney - Says things like Deeney is a "Championship player/thug with limited ability" and only really scored penalties. (Maybe has a point now!) Or Okaka's agent. Okaka did seem to get injured or tired quite quickly so maybe Silva doesn't trust his fitness levels - then again that could be said for a number of our players!!! (Defenders particularly)
Not certain.. but this seems to suggest so http://www.thefa.com/news/2013/nov/06/not-seen-incidents-extension-retrospective-action Our main defense seems to be that Stoke are a negative, time wasting, dirty team. Not sure they take that into account when reviewing decisions though.
He's *****, but he's our best striker. It's a sorry state of affairs. Too much was riding on Gray not being utter plopsies unfortunately.
Not really. And the FA had to clarify that soon afterwards: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/football-association-clarify-retrospective-action-2212627 I don't see what Deeney did was 'truly exceptional'. He caused Allen no injury for a start.
Pretty much hitting the nails on their heads. Watford reverted to a sort of Mazzari-fallback when presented with a decent, determined defensive set-up: The ball was passed from side to side in front of their organized defence. Result: Virtually no chances. The fact that it is a turn-around for Silva indicates coaches can't be magicians, they have to deal with the squad they've more or less inherited. A lot of work on the training ground and a couple of key signings in the next window methinks.
What a complete cop-out by the FA yet again. All the time now they would seem to make a complete c.ck-up of everything they do. Take the Eni Aluko thingy. After months of deliberation they have to make an abject apology. How about employing some people who get it right in the first place for a change? Now this. Oliver saw the incident. He made his judgement. If, for some reason, he didn't see the incident in full then any amount of instant action replays would have been available to assist him and the rest of the officials. During the time it took two wee fracas (plural) to sort themselves out which took up virtually the entirety of the five 'added-on minutes'. Meanwhile, at Palarse Park, a Spammer gets criticised by his own team-mate for having the audacity to try and play 'proper football' for the entirety of the match. Apparently that's 'unprofessional' these days. Those who run our sport need to sort out their priorities and quit being 'easy option w.nkers'. Above all our sport (from a spectator's point-of-view) is part of the entertainment industry. That's why every Prem. club gets £120m + p.a. (or whatever it is now) for the TV rights. Everything that enhances the 'entertainment value' will add to that sum and everything that detracts from it will diminish it. Proper football to the final whistle and real-time referrals enhances and anti-football a.k.a. Stoke City and W.B.A. detracts. Simple really.
Pretty sure that's the reason given for our defeat and Brexit. I think it has potential as the next great ready made excuse.
Bit confusing as the article i linked came out after the one you did. As did this one about the incident with Torres and Vertonghen.. which has many similarities with our Troy's.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...s-Fernando-Torres-scratch-Jan-Vertonghen.html It talks of closing the disciplinary loophole for special circumstances such as violent conduct. Perhaps yesterday's incident was not 'truly exceptional' but it would surely come under violent conduct?
It's difficult to see how that Deeney/Allen thing took off. There must have been plenty of stuff going on before it. I note that both of them seem to go for each other immediately and simultaneously. I can't quite make it out, but did the two of them, when kicking at the ball, both kick each other. At one point Deeney pushes Allen away. Allen then jumps back in. Difficult to see what Shawcross is trying to accomplish - protect his team-mate or have an excuse to have a go at Deeney. With perfect refereeing and with perfect viewing the pair of them should probably have been sent off. Shawcross (and I can't believe I'm saying this) possibly shouldn't even have been yellow-carded. Amusing seeing Holebas looking bewildered in a fight - maybe even a little bit frightened. The referee, I'm amazed to note, has even been praised in some quarters for his handling of the game. WHAT!? He let everything go right from the very start (from both sides) and that and the failure to deal with the interminable time-wasting all led to a bad-tempered affair. If he is the referee he should do the job and not try to be their mates.
The replay is clear. The whole thing was violent conduct by the both of them and deserving of a red card for each according to the Laws of the Game. But not according to Michael Oliver. I could see Deeney had a grip of Allen from halfway up the other side of the Rookery and Oliver took up a good position outside the melee. He obviously decided it was just handbags and yellow cards were appropriate. That's his prerogative. The whole point of the rules is not to re-referee something with hindsight. I reckon Deeney would be the first player in professional football in England ever to get a ban after being given a yellow card for something on the day. If the FA do it for this load of nonsense I'll be amazed.
Agree with everything else you've written in your post but didn't Ben Thatcher get a monster ban for knocking out a Portsmouth player with his elbow when he only got a yellow on the day? Clearly nothing like the Deeney situation as Thatcher's was one of the worst fouls the Premier League has ever seen!
Well there's been at least one.. Ben Thatcher's challenge on Pedro Mendes in 2006 (it's stated in the link you posted) Oliver probably didnt see the gouge as he was behind Allen.. and violent conduct shouldn't really be described as "nonsense"
I can't prove it but I suspect Okaka's goals per minutes played ratio since he joined us is way ahead of any other striker that we have.....
Need to stop starting Deeney. He is good as impact later on. Personally feel we should try starting with okaka more. Never a fan of zonal marking or 3 at the back.
Feels a little like we're getting a media witch hunt since we started getting noticed this season. First the non dive from Richarlison and now this. Do we agree that Troy should have lovingly caressed Allen's face? He's laughing at Allen's attempt to square up to him, not because he's lost the plot and Mark Hughes can get f***ed.
Wow, almost every week now the match day thread ends up debating an incident in the game. We’ve had the Citeh offsides, Britos the red, Richy diving and now the fracases.
Yes, fair enough re: Thatcher but then he'll be the second. And the two incidents really bare no comparison. Of course it should be described as nonsense. If you've been watching football for years you'll know that incident was handbags. Well down the lower end of the scale. No one was injured and the so-called gouge is hardly in his eye or mouth. There's nothing special about it at all and it's a lot less violent than a headbutt or punch. He's just gripping Allen who's being a naughty boy himself at the same time. I'm amazed a few of you are buying the hype about this.
