Watford FC 0-1 Stoke City - 28/10/2017

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by Cassetti's Beard, Oct 25, 2017.

  1. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    It's time we get answers as to why Okaka is nowhere near the squad. Two managers for two seasons in a row both taking him out for months at a time. Very strange.
     
  2. Goal hanger

    Goal hanger Beyond Belief

    Or maybe we could have three stools. Deeney, Gray and Okaka could sit on them and perform a Westlife type song for the 1881. Towards the climax of the tune, Gray and Okaka could do an air grab and Deeney could do a face grab.
     
  3. Ray Knight

    Ray Knight First Year Pro

    What is clear is that both sides will get large fines for failing to control their players. What I do object to is the know all pundits, hacks and social media jockeys wading in to condemn players. Worst of all the ex-refs like Poll, who fail to criticise their own. Oliver had a shocking game in failing to deal with niggly fouls and Stoke time-wasting. Would much rather VAR and the ref sending off culpable players rather than retrospective kangaroo courts.
     
  4. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Like everyone else I found Butland's time wasting frustrating, but mass counting every time he got the ball was totally w@nky. Presumably the people doing it will be shining their phone lights when it gets darker
     
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  5. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    Thought it was rather good actually.
     
  6. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    I thought Oliver had a good game. He can only operate within the current rules. The trouble with the Stoke time-wasting was that no individual example of it was particularly excessive. It was more that they did a bit of it at every opportunity and used every trick in the book to frustrate from at least the 16th minute onwards (when they scored). As far as I'm aware, there's no 'collective punishment' option open to the ref. Pity.
     
  7. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    It is
     
  8. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    I thought the ref did well too.

    It blew up a couple of times later on, but I doubt that would have been helped by earlier bookings. It was spur of the moment stuff, the typical Stoke behaviour and the typical reaction of frustrated opponents.
     
  9. Siohmy

    Siohmy Reservist

    Only thing he could have done really was to book Butland. Even then Stoke were “clever” in that once the ref had had a word he still took ages over the kicks (knowing he still hadn’t been booked) but Stoke players took it in turns to talk to the referee about something every time there was a goal kick attempting to distract him from the fact they were still taking 30-40 seconds for each one.

    If I was set a task to disrupt a game to the maximum to get anything I could get out of the game they executed it to perfection. Not really something to applaud but they did a good job in that respect.

    I’ve supported Watford for a long time, including some very horrific football but do not recall us every going to the lengths Stoke went to on Saturday. As I said they must be so proud.

    I normally tune into TalkSport for better or worse on my way home from work. Adrian Durham was at the game and is known to give Stoke quite a bit of stick for their “style” of football. Be interesting if he gives the incidents a bit more context than all the other clowns calling for Deeney’s head.

    PS. Just realised I used air quotes twice in this post. As punishment I’ll go to the Brighton v Stoke game in three weeks.
     
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    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

  11. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    The slower and more hesitantly Watford moved the ball around the less likely they were to get the Stoke players out of position and the less likely they were to generate a goal-chance. That is straight out of the Mazzari Cookbook.
     
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  12. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

  13. Stevohorn

    Stevohorn Watching Grass Grow

    No there's no comparison with the Thatcher incident.. and no one was comparing the two other either, only in the sense that it was an occasion when a player received a ban after getting a yellow card.


    So what's it to be then UEA? Lower end scale handbags? or violent conduct? Only youve changed your tune about that one.
     
  14. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Yes, but if the FA are to do something they've only ever done once before the incidents should be compared. Thatcher is the only precedent after all.

    And I've not changed my tune at all. It was violent conduct (of which there are differing degrees). Both players should have been sent off. But they weren't and that should be the end of it. There's nothing at all remarkable about the incident, the likes of which happen every weekend up and down the leagues, and it certainly doesn't justify all the gnashing and wailing from some quarters about it.
     
  15. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    I think Deeney needs a 3 match ban just to keep him off the pitch and Capoue a permanent ban for impersonating a footballer.
     
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  16. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    Not really. We were playing it about for fun 35 yds out. There was very little 'hoofing'. So not really Mazzari then.

    What we didn't have was the nous and skill to break down the fleet of anti-football parked buses. Because we're not quite that good. Yet. Not a single shot on target tells a story.

    The secret to beating teams like Stoke (and perhaps handsomely) is to score first. Unfortunately we didn't.

    The Stoke goal was very simple but very well executed. A very accurate corner from Shakiri and Fletcher not trying to hit it too hard. Straight from the training ground. Rather than majoring exclusively on why we're falling short on defending corners I'd also ask why we don't seem to have a few moves like that ourselves. We had eight corners on Saturday I believe.
     
  17. Stevohorn

    Stevohorn Watching Grass Grow

    I think you might be confusing football with rugby there..


    and we'll have to come up with a new classification.. 'Violent handbags'
     
  18. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    There may have been nothing remarkable about the incident as regards level of violence but it was highly unusual. I've never seen the like before. And there will be those that conflate unusual with remarkable/ extraordinary and 'bang out of order'.
     
  19. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Hardly.
     
  20. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    Stoke really are our bogey team at home aren't they?

    Thought we played well though, controlled the game but just couldn't break through that defence. Another day Richarlison would've taken his chance.

    Think it's time for Silva to sort out whatever issue he and Okaka have and get the big guy back in the team because at the moment it's like playing without anyone up front.

    I haven't bothered reading through this but I have seen that somebody a few posts above compared those tactics to Mazzarri.... did you even watch the game?

    Oh, and Charlie Adams hahahaha
     
  21. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Seems like a lot of Watford fans actually want Deeney banned. This for me is the most worrying aspect. End of an era?
     
  22. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    Can we also ban Gray as well, please?
     
  23. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    Happened at West Brom as well.
     
  24. Ray Knight

    Ray Knight First Year Pro

    Deeney is the captain and needed to keep his cool. He has to show a good example to guys like Richarlison however frustrating Stoke are. Very lucky to get a yellow and it sounds like the FA can't take retrospective action unless Oliver's report throws up something new. Big fines for both clubs I reckon for failing to control players. I hope Silva deals with this ill-discipline and gets us properly focused against a below par Everton.
     
  25. Meh!

    Meh! Pre-Dictator

    I assumed this was something to do with the old 7 second rule which didn't apply at any time here anyway as each time was a dead ball rather than in the keepers hands.

    Fans around me that do a lot of these things do make me laugh. Not in a funny way.
     
  26. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I'm pretty sure the lame counting was happening mainly when Butland had ball in hand. And it's 6 seconds rather than 7.
     
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  27. Meh!

    Meh! Pre-Dictator

    I'm pretty sure 90% of it was dead ball.

    Couldn't really care less. Was still irritating.
     
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  28. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    As stated before, same bunch who said Britos should never play for the club again after a late challenge and called Richarlison a cheat after being legitimately fouled against Arsenal.

    Special fans.
     
  29. If we were to submit a petition to the FA do you think that would work?
     
  30. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    If we have the cojones to do it...
     
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  31. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    It was a bit of a laugh. Something had to be done to lighten the mood. Personally I find those who are objecting to it rather sadder than those who were actually doing it. Which didn't include me.
     
  32. Meh!

    Meh! Pre-Dictator

    It was a bit of a laugh once. It was still amusing twice.

    From then on not so much.
     
  33. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    Well seeing as the time-wasting continued it was hardly surprising that the counting continued.
     
  34. kVA

    kVA Reservist

    Bored of this thread now, can we start the next match day thread?
     
  35. BusheyOrn

    BusheyOrn Reservist

    On Okaka, I noticed last week on the official Facebook page that during a weekly discussion that Afleck answered back to a question that Okaka is well liked by everyone and is working hard.
     
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