The Premier League - 2018/19 - All Match Discussion In Here

Looks like Man Utd are going to appoint one of football’s great thinkers as director of football!

 

From the text it looks like Ajax are beasting Spurs.

Son injured?

 

That 7th placed boat sailed a few days ago & not worth discussing again unless matters take a drastic & unlikely turn.

Second season usually deemed the most risky & with a European campaign for Wolves looming I can see a few laughs at their expense next season.

All comes to he who waits. We might lose the battle but we will win the war. I'm off to make a cup of tea now.

 

Ajax are wiping the floor with them.

 

Just walked into an Irish pub in NYC.

Brusquely told off for calling it ‘soccer’.

 

7 Years War?

100 Years War?

 

Ref in the classic Furphy strip!

 

The phrase ‘having the trappings of success’ was made for Tottenham.

They’re football’s equivalent of an unnecessarily loud phone conversation held whilst leaning against a blue BMW 5 series in a motorway services car park.

 

Weakest "man walks into a pub joke" ever.

 

Maybe a white one?

I watched the second in a pub in NYC & a small group of local Irish guys were bellowing for Ajax.

I asked them why & they said that Ajax were a proper team & a proper club. I suspect they’ll be sitting on the same barstools today hollering for Liverpool.

Spurs could be in for a slide out of the top 6 when Poch leaves.

 

Definitely more on the gentle observational end of the spectrum.

I waited briefly outside for a Scotsman, a German, a Frenchman or a Jewish guy for the classic set up but none were available.

A young Dutch fellow came in & was thoroughly bewildered by the local support for Ajax (see other post).

 

It can be a white one but I have a specific person in mind.

 

He couldn’t have been as confused as I continue to be by hearing 60000 Spurs fans chanting ‘*** Army’ at their team.

 

With the Jewish associations of both clubs, a perfect storm for Corbyn?

 

Ah.

 

I get that Tottenham is notable for having a lot of Jewish people living there, it’s the leap from that to chanting the word ‘***’ that flies over my head. I’ve never given it much thought before so I’m probably totally wrong and missing something so someone please feel free to educate me.

It feels to me at the moment that it’s the equivalent of Leicester fans bursting into a chorus of ‘P**i army’.... but as I say if someone could put it into context for me that would be helpful and mind expanding.

 

I believe it began as a response to other teams' fans (you can guess which) using offensive chants against them because of their demographic. They now believe they have 'reclaimed' the term so it's alright for them to use it. They're wrong. It isn't. It's still offensive.

 

And I understand the Ajax Jewish association is because their ground is near the old Jewish area.

Slightly tenuous but the fans refuse to give up that association despite the club’s directives.

 

So what are your views then on black people using the 'n' word?

 

If a word is bad, it is bad. It should not matter who uses it.

If you "reclaim" a word and force a different meaning then ok, but then everyone should still be able to use it.

 

This is where confusion happens and meaning misunderstood. If someone uses a "bad" word how does the person hearing it know the meaning behind it? They may have the permission of the person they are talking too directly, but someone overhearing the comment is offended.

All murky and open to interpretation. That is why I think it is easier to say no one can use a word or everyone can use a word.

If everyone was more tolerant and did not try to call people names in an offensive way it would not be an issue, but alas there are bigots out there.

 

Hold on. “Gay” isn’t a bad word?

 

Jesus Jumbo you are so stuck in 2018. November 2018.

 

Any word such as ****** or *** or **** should only ever be used in a context where EVERY party understands it is not being used in ANY negative fashion. So a black person can call another black person that word, but both parties know its a term of endearment and the listening world know too. Thats why black people in the US refer to it as being owned by them, they see themselves as the only ones who can use it without offering a negative undertone. The ownership of that word is a bit of a myth though, because there easily could be a scenario where a white person uses the word in context and clearly without offering any negative tone, there cant be a clear explanation why only one type of skin colour can use it, that only reinforces any thought of discrimination.

I'm unsure if the word *** is the same. Tottenham claim it's ok but i feel that if they were singing "****** army" it would be criticised heavily and I dont see the difference.

 

I think I agree. But the asterisk make it confusing. I assume you are not including “gay” in this post?

 

That's brilliant and I'm stealing it.

Onto the Y word - oddest one I ever saw was a frummie/'Jewish cowboy' family (mum, dad, couple of kids and a tot in a pram) walking on the opposite side of the road of whatever's the name of the big pub in Enfield. Big group of Spurs fans outside and when they catch sight of them the Spurs fans begin chanting with rhythmic pointing "...yiddoes...yiddoes...yiddoes..." to which the dad and kids give a big thumbs up to a cheer from the fans (the mum didn't look too happy).

FWIW most of the East European/Slavic languages use some construction containing the phoneme "žyd" ("zhid") in their word(s) for Jew(ish) - but that's to be expected as most of them are anti-Semitic mother******s.

 

Don't get me wrong I'm fully in favour of it. Mainly because it really upsets and angers that utter ****ing unfunny **** David Baddiel.

 

The thing that really matters is intent behind the words.

The problem is that once you use a word, your intent has to be interpreted by someone else and they very well might get your intent wrong.

As a result, it's best to just exercise your vocabulary and select another word that gets the point across without risk of causing upset.