I take your point. If I were awarding fan of the season then attendances would count of course. From 1962 till 2011 I hardly missed a game. Now I have a wife who is in need of constant medical attention and cannot get out of the house and I live 100 miles from Watford. Do you think I am less of a fan nowadays than 10 years ago? No I am the same fan but have reason why I no longer have a season ticket. Do you now see me as a third rate fan?
I Couldn’t agree more. The difference is that this post comes from a long standing supporter who has seen much worse times than a thumping against probably the best team in the world. The ones that are really angry, were no where to be seen pre Pozzo’s
Wow. Straw man or what? Look at the bit of the post I quoted and look at my very simple reply to it. Then spend the rest of eternity trying to work out how you ended up directing the above at me, as you’ll never be able to figure it out. Edit - you do realise it was Kelso having the original debate with Ski man? I just intervened on that point.
You complain about the happy clapper label and then spend the rest of the post sticking the boot into Nath and the “miserabilists”. What a complete lack of self awareness you have.
You are seriously contending that anyone critical of the club did not attend matches pre-Pozzo? It’s not worth replying to this drivel.
I forced myself to watch the highlight's this morning and paused before every goal we conceded and made a mental note about player positioning and general marking, You do not have to be a VAR expert to see that the first goal, could of been avoided by marking the man and not ball watching. When I looked again at Foster's rush of blood for the second goal it really made it seem more unjustified than it needed to be. Players could of got to him, but yeah what else did I really expect? I woke up today a little less peed of than last night, but it's all over the media how crap we were yesterday and so it should be. Let's hope the players look at it and understand how the fans feel. For them, it was probably just another game and a bad day at the office. For fan's, it runs deeper than that. QSF's post match interview was defeatist, but what else could he say after that? The look of anger on his face during the game should at least be an indication he won't take the loss lying down. I hope not anyway.
My first game was 1979. And I'm really really really ******* angry. I struggle to count on my fingers the number of times in my lifetime a Watford side has surrendered.
Well the following appeared on my PC and pretended it came from you "You really agree someone who has been to only one game is the equal of someone who has seen us across all the divisions over a number of years? Give over. I’ll be the first to agree the ‘I’m the best fan’ stuff is tedious. Best avoided altogether. I directed my reply to the entity that purported to be you but you are correct it would take until eternity for e to understand computers. This thread has over 600 posts and so I do not always hunt for the first post on a specific point but choose to query ones that interest me. Sorry if my question was to the wrong person as it seemed you have a sliding scale of rank of supporter. (I am sure others do as well and perhaps you are not the most fervent but it was your post that caught my attention)
Similar here. The virtue signallers like to think they are the only fans who have seen us outside the premier league.
I don’t have a sliding scale and find that whole debate pretty tedious. But it’s seems pretty self-evident someone who has only seen one solitary Watford game isn’t as much of a fan as someone with more than that. Where the line is drawn from there I couldn’t care less.
I'd happily forgive the players if they decided to dish out a few leg breaker studs up 2 footed tackles, but the one that got me was the sight of Hughes face, standing there is shock, as white as his hair on his head. Clueless. Pathetic. Get out my club.
Fair point. I am prepared to cut the team some slack, and if they are as bad in the next 2 games then I am with you. It was a heads gone game yesterday, and QSF needs to find the players who have some fire in their belly. Personally I thought the 4-1 home defeat against Huddersfield a few years ago was worse.
I think the "one solitary game" comment was meant as hyperbole and not to be taken as gospel. Still I agree this is a tedious debate and doubt you and I are a million miles apart on our views of how good or bad fans are and what consitutes that
They just enjoy the day out. The result is secondary. The very example of day trippers. Their opinion is like their vocal volume at games, of the very minimal consequence.
I did not mean another team, I meant any other new coach with our set of players, suffering from the Cup Final damage to confidence.
I know how I felt that day we lost to Sheff Wed away 2-1 just before Boothroyd came in and saved us from certain relegation to league one. I had tears streaming down my face after that game and just wanted to curl up in the corner and fade away. Yesterday made me think of that day a bit, the side after that game (new manager bounce may be a factor) showed a new grit and desire to fight. We put in two or three very good shifts at Rotherham and Stoke City, got six points and stayed up. I cannot remember if we beat Reading final game but I think we drew. It makes me realise, do any of our current spineless crop have that mental ability to really approach what could become a serious relegation battle? Unless massive changes are made to players mindsets, then the answer the is simply no, no they do not. I do not want us to turn into one of them ex-premier league sides that fall from grace (ala Leeds, Leicester, Blackburn, Bolton). But it could happen. And any chance of avoiding any remote chance of that happening must begin now. I agree with the poster who called the result a wake up call - it needs to be a fire alarm in the brain.
Was grinning throughout the game too. I get that different people have different approaches but there was no steely determination, no anger at the defence, no grim face at being embarrassed in front of millions. Was all just a bit funny to him.
Emma Saunders @emma_saund 19h19 hours ago Unfortunately not a great deal happened at Griffin Park this afternoon to distract from goals flying in elsewhere Pretty sure that's about as accurate facial expression as you could get in Hertfordshire at 5pm. We know how you feel Emma.
Yeah it's total nonsense. I started following the club in the early 90s where we were crap every single season and the best times were escaping a relegation dogfight. Supporting a bad team was the norm in my formative years at Watford. But I never felt like I did after yesterday -because we were just a poor team with limited players, not gutless multimillionaires putting no effort in. It was ******* shameful.
I just want us to be hard to beat. In recent games with City and Liverpool we've capitulated right from the starting whistle. Other crap teams like palace, burnley, brighton manage to grind out the odd result. Palace beating Man U away, Man City away etc etc.
Having seen the highlights, Foster, Doucoure, Holebas and esepcially Femenia have to take most of the blame and should now be dropped for an extended period (I won't include Folquier as he'll never be seen again anyway)
She's part of the problem. Coddling interviews so she doesn't risk her role. Be brave, ask difficult questions, that's what journalists should do.
So you wish we'd thrown in some potential career-ending tackles resulting in sending offs ? Classy. As for Hughes, other than break someone's leg, what do you expect him to do? He can't play City's world-beaters at their own game, he's not skillful enough, like most of our team. calling him clueless and pathetic is unjustified. Oh, and it's not I see. So a real fan is someone who sings all match and the only one entitled to an opinion? I don't want to stand & sing all match. I did all that as a teenager during GT's first reign and have grown out of it. But when I and the thousands of usually quiet fans do join in, admittedly quite rarely, it actually has a huge impact - see (or hear) the 2nd half against Arsenal for evidence of that. Don't get me wrong, I think the 1881 do a great job with what they've got but they'll never get the majority singing. A thousand or so people singing in a corner of the ground has minimal impact despite their best efforts. The demographics of PL crowds have changed in the last few decades, most are middle class & middle aged. As someone who typifies that demographic, it doesn't mean I don't support the club as much as the next person. Name me a ground where the majority of the home crowd sing most of the time - every ground is a library, as claimed by away fans. Just as a matter of interest, did our fans sing all match at City yesterday? Or were they as shell-shocked as the team?
Surely it’s not so much not risking her role as fulfilling her role? When she’s churning out interviews for the website or whatever she’s an extension of the club’s PR operation. They’re hardly going to sanction anything more than fluff. And if she did go rogue they’d just replace her with someone more compliant.
Agreed. It's pure nonsense. Doesn't take into account where we are as a club. Teams aspiring to finish in the top 10 shouldn't capitulate in this manner so regularly. It's laughable really.
I should have said everyone has a right to an opinion on here. A fan for years or a new fan, all are equal on here. I know a 'Homer', we all do l guess. Never goes away, not even to the London games. I find it difficult to value his opinion, though he is entitled to one. A fan is a fan in the end.
Does Emma Saunders even support Watford? She is our stadium announcer but also freelance for BBC and london stations - now on 5 live and 606 doubt she will be much longer with us particularly if we go down
Of course life goes on. The game was yesterday and old news. IMO, the frustration of the fans is that they could see this coming. Complacency by the board, an arrogance that we are too good to go down. Yesterday it was Man City, but it could have been Bournemouth, Leicester or Burnley. Ok, not 8 goals, but 5 or 6. I don't care about the Happy Clappers or flag waving fans. We have all stood next to someone at games who doesn't even know who plays for Watford. This includes away games. How they get an away tickets, who knows. The making of this very poor Watford side was obvious to most fans.
I was at Blackburn Rovers when we drew 0-0 in freezing cold weather. Snowing all the up there and a puncture on the way. The highlight for Watford, one cross shot. That was it. Number away fans, 22.
