If You Could Go Back In Time...

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  1. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    To a specific time and date, where would you go and why?

    For me I would travel to 1843 to watch Ada Byron create the world's first computer program.

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    However the exact date she finished this has never been printed to my knowledge so I might be hanging around a little while :p That's alright though, I can read her book on 'Flyology' that she wrote as I wait. I've seen the built Difference Engine in London Science Museum and it's very impressive. It's a shame the Analytical Engine was never completed so she could of shown her program worked. Actually, there are two errors on sections 14 and 24, which were found by Allan Turing.

    Where would you go any why?
     
    SkylaRose, Nov 13, 2023
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  2. K9 Hornet

    K9 Hornet Border Collie Dog

    Rome of the late Republic. Caesar, Pompey Magnus, Cicero etc. Not that I would have understood a word of what they were saying, but would love to have seen all the landmarks in all their glory and seen what Rome was really like
     
    K9 Hornet, Nov 13, 2023
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  3. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Good choice. Must of been some sight as well, despite all the wars etc. around that time period. Would of been cool to follow a real life "Roman Road" and pop across the ocean to see 'Loninian'. Wasn't the capital of England something else back then? I remember learning in school about Boudica's tribe who took on the Roman Empire.
     
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  4. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I'd go back to 1842 and invent the computer before Byron. I'd also invent windows 11.
     
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  5. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    You'd be out of luck. ;) Charles Babbage already had the Difference Engine built to a small scale. Ada Byron had nothing to do with the design of the computer itself, she just wrote an algorithm for the punch cards to follow using the Analytical Engine (which at the time was not even built) which had the concept of being a 'programmable' machine using a system that French Looms created patterns for.
     
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  6. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    I'd go back to when life first crawled out of the primordial muck and step on it.

    That would save everyone an awful lot of trouble.
     
    Arakel, Nov 13, 2023
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  7. K9 Hornet

    K9 Hornet Border Collie Dog

    Londinium established a bit later (i had in mind around 44/43 BC when it all kicked off and Cicero ended up with his tongue and hands cut off and nailed to the Rostrum).
    Boudica's rebellion was around 60AD so about 100 years later.
    No ocean to cross though between Rome and London :)
     
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  8. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Summer of ‘77, the day GT was appointed Watford manager; just so I could experience that period all over again.
     
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  9. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    East London, 1888, to find out who Jack the Ripper actually was
     
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  10. watford willy

    watford willy Academy Graduate

    11 April 1885, to stop Lootown being founded.
     
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  11. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    One of the most revered unsolved mysteries, alongside the 'Black Darla' (Elizabeth Short) which will never have a conclusion of guilt. Both obviously far before my time but still extremely sad in the loss of lives they involved.
     
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  12. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    So you were in the area at the time? That makes you a suspect.
     
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  13. Stuey

    Stuey Reservist

    Nice try but you forget the great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather paradox.

    You'd probably slip on some primordial slime and fall on a stalegmite impaling yourself before you get the chance.
     
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  14. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Nothing of value lost, tbf.
     
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  15. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I left my car keys at the scene which must have confused everybody
     
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  16. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Claudius ordered the invasion of Brittania in 43AD and the initial capital was Colchester; originally called Camulodunum, then later, when a veteran settlement was attached, it became Camulodunum Colonia. The Anglo-Saxons called it ‘Colonia Ceastra’ meaning ‘Colonia fort’, hence Colchester.
    Budiga’s revolt was a result of the local Roman military administrator reneging upon agreements with her (then dead) husband about how the Iceni lands would be handled after his death. The rapes & flogging didn’t help, of course.
    Londinium was not the capital at that time.
     
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  17. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    If I could go back in time,

    Summer of 2015, put £200 on Leicester to win the Premier League.
     
    Otter, Nov 14, 2023
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  18. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Wasn't it like 1000/1 odds? Crazy!
     
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  19. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    5000/1

    After that the longest odds usually offered each year is now 1000/1.
     
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  20. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Here is my version of her program:

    Code:
    -- Ada's Algorithm
-- World's first computer program written in the language that bares her name.
-- Rose, Skyla  November'23
--
-- Compiles under GCC 3.0 or below. Use switch -95 -l to link with Ada 1995 standard
--

with GMP.Rationals, GMP.Integers, Ada.Text_IO, Ada.Strings.Fixed, Ada.Strings; -- non standard but GitHub approved
use GMP.Rationals, GMP.Integers, Ada.Text_IO, Ada.Strings.Fixed, Ada.Strings;

procedure Main is
  
   -- specifications
   function Bernoulli_Number (N : Natural) return Unbounded_Fraction is     
     function "/" (Left, Right : Natural) return Unbounded_Fraction is
       (To_Unbounded_Integer (Left) / To_Unbounded_Integer (Right));
     A : array (0 .. N) of Unbounded_Fraction;
  
begin
     for M in 0 .. N loop
        A (M) := 1 / (M + 1);
        for J in reverse 1 .. M loop
           A (J - 1) := (J / 1 ) * (A (J - 1) - A (J));
        end loop;
     end loop;
     return A (0);
   end Bernoulli_Number;
  
begin
   for I in 0 .. 60 loop
     if I mod 2 = 0 or I = 1 then -- bug from Lovelace's program corrected here.
        declare
           B : Unbounded_Fraction := Bernoulli_Number (I);
           S : String := Image (GMP.Rationals.Numerator (B));
        begin
           Put_Line ("B (" & (IF I < 10 THEN " " ELSE "") &  Trim (I'Img, Left)
                     & ")=" & (44 - S'Length) * " " & Image (B));
        end;
     end if;
   end loop;
end Main;
    Here is the output on a Terminal:

    Code:
    B(0)=                                            1 / 1
B(1)=                                            1 / 2
B(2)=                                            1 / 6
B(4)=                                           -1 / 30
B(6)=                                            1 / 42
B(8)=                                           -1 / 30
B(10)=                                           5 / 66
B(12)=                                        -691 / 2730
B(14)=                                           7 / 6
B(16)=                                       -3617 / 510
B(18)=                                       43867 / 798
B(20)=                                     -174611 / 330
B(22)=                                      854513 / 138
B(24)=                                  -236364091 / 2730
B(26)=                                     8553103 / 6
B(28)=                                -23749461029 / 870
B(30)=                               8615841276005 / 14322
B(32)=                              -7709321041217 / 510
B(34)=                               2577687858367 / 6
B(36)=                       -26315271553053477373 / 1919190
B(38)=                            2929993913841559 / 6
B(40)=                      -261082718496449122051 / 13530
B(42)=                      1520097643918070802691 / 1806
B(44)=                    -27833269579301024235023 / 690
B(46)=                    596451111593912163277961 / 282
B(48)=               -5609403368997817686249127547 / 46410
B(50)=                 495057205241079648212477525 / 66
B(52)=             -801165718135489957347924991853 / 1590
B(54)=            29149963634884862421418123812691 / 798
B(56)=         -2479392929313226753685415739663229 / 870
B(58)=         84483613348880041862046775994036021 / 354
B(60)=-1215233140483755572040304994079820246041491 / 56786730
    Thank you Ada for what you did in making computer's what they are today xx
     
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  21. Stuey

    Stuey Reservist

    That's what you get for trying to violate causality. ;)
     
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  22. K9 Hornet

    K9 Hornet Border Collie Dog

    My point was that I was interested in the period about 100 years or so earlier, could have worded it better.
     
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  23. steve harrow

    steve harrow Reservist

    Funny this came up because we had some new trainees recently and they gave some interesting answers to this question. Made me think.
    Either my home city of Dundee in about 1850 to see what life was like back then - pretty grim I'd think but very interesting to me.
    Or north America prior to European colonisation although might be galling to see civilisations you knew would be changed forever.
     
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  24. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    At least you could warn them, and perhaps implement a sort of change in culture from the ground up. However having said that, isn't there an unwritten rule about changing the smallest thing in the past will have terrible consequences?
     
    SkylaRose, Nov 14, 2023
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  25. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Snap my thoughts exactly, but I would put every penny I could muster on it as I could not lose :D (And I think it was 5000 to 1 )
     
    The Voice of Reason, Nov 15, 2023
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  26. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    There's a liability limit, so for certain bets there's a maximum payout, check the T&Cs.
     
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  27. steve harrow

    steve harrow Reservist

    I nearly put that I could warn them but they would still have been essentially 'defeated' I think.
    And yes, the butterfly effect. Besides, it's not impossible they'd kill me on sight anyway :(
     
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  28. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Maybe going back in time and warning your bosses would get you a better reward? :D
     
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  29. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Actually outsiders bring in more profit for the bookies. Think of all of those losing bets on Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea and other optimistic fan bets like Spurs. Most of the bets on Leicester would have been £1 here or there on Leicester fans, very few people if any would have had Leicester as part of an accumulator.

    When in the Grand National about 10 years ago a 100/1 outsider won, the bookies absolutely cleaned up, they were immeasurably more happy than the odd person who may have put a couple of quid on it.
     
    Otter, Nov 15, 2023
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  30. steve harrow

    steve harrow Reservist

    Great publicity for them too which is why they are happy to showcase some punter getting lucky. Usual guff like we love to see people win big! Right. They get that back in droves from other mug punters.

    The lady that runs Bet365 doesn't get that gigantic salary from paying out all the time.
     
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  31. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Kudos, Watford, 1995.

    I'd just thrown the lips on a truly smashing looking sort, truly my dream girl, but went for a piss. On my return she had upped and left, like a fart in the wind.

    If I could relive that day I'd piss my slacks instead.
     
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  32. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Indeed. Just a drive across Doggerland.
     
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  33. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    It's *Dahlia, dahling.
     
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  34. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Or that you'd wipe them out with a weaponised sniffle
     
    wfcmoog, Nov 16, 2023
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  35. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I'm telling you with 100% certainty that the minute you unzipped to let your little chap fall out, her ugly, fat friend was capitalising on your absence to get her out of there to avoid having to get a taxi home on her own.

    Happened to me in the Funky Buddha, Brighton. Stunning French girl, ugly, sidelined friend, great vibes, needed to pee, then they vanished.

    This is why you need a solid wingman who's prepared to take on the dumpy sidekick to keep her happy and allow you to seal the deal. Sadly, all wasted knowledge now that I'm old, married and off market.
     
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