I believe in miracles, reasons to be optimistic…

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Hornet77, Nov 5, 2019.

  1. Hornet77

    Hornet77 Academy Graduate

    Now I'm an eternal optimist, glass half-full type of chap but even I’ve become a little down and angry with results, performances, attitude, selections and substitutions but that’s just reading this forum, let alone the football.

    All of this negativity is getting me down. It’s all gloom & doom or poisonous vitriol aimed at the owners, the head coach or other forum members. Lighten up people!

    It’s time to counter all the negativity and now is the moment for some positivity. I challenge you to come up with something, anything, any reason however small to be positive about our chances of staying up, not the same old sack the coach or owners etc.

    Maybe it’s a miracle escape that another team has made from a worse position than us, maybe its players coming back from injury maybe hoping for our luck to change, get a VAR decision in our favour when it matters.

    I witnessed Luther’s brace in the league cup vs Man Utd all those years ago, I was there when we beat Southampton 7-1, I never gave up hope before the Deeney moment against Leicester and when we were 2-0 at Wembley.

    Come on I challenge you, park the dark thoughts and think positive…

    (PS or maybe I’ve had too much coffee today…)
     
  2. Steel City Gold

    Steel City Gold First Year Pro

    If coffee fuels your optimism, all hope is lost...
     
  3. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    I guess a positive is that we can stop watching whenever we like
     
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  4. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    Except we can't ....
     
  5. Davidmsawyer

    Davidmsawyer Statto Statto Statto

    Some positivity is that our opponents might score own goals. We just need a few freak instances like poor old Stan van den Buys, and hopefully our defence can keep firm and only let in two.

    it only needs to happen 9 times and we will be safe. Possibly more likely than us scoring three goals 9 times?

    The most own goals scored in a single match by one individual was recorded by Stan van den Buys, who played his football for Germinal Beerschot in Belgium. His side lost 3-2 to Anderlecht, with Van den Buys scoring all three goals against his own team.
    https://the18.com/soccer-entertainment/who-has-scored-most-own-goals-history
     
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  6. Davidmsawyer

    Davidmsawyer Statto Statto Statto

    It’s like a drug!
     
  7. scummybear

    scummybear Reservist

    On 8th September 1939 the FA announced that all football was suspended until further notice, so all we need is the outbreak of WW3 and we're safe.
     
  8. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Reservist

    I understand the sentiment, I think we all do. Problem is, all fans go through highs and lows. This is a low, but we have been lower.

    Its hard to think of past events because back then, we had a team who could score a goal, near fully fit and well drilled teams. Now we have the total opposite.

    I know teams have come back from worse, but if we lose at Norwich we all know its over. November it might be, but we haven't won a game in the league since Huddersfield. That alone is so depressing.

    We will always come and watch, but with blind hope that maybe, just maybe we might get the old Watford back. It doesnt matter anyway, A total lack of investment in key areas and non fitness has killed any hope.

    I won't be ashamed to wear my Watford shirt on the day we are relegated. Pride and pasdion for the club, badge and town. More than what the Pozzos have done to us over the last two years.
     
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  9. Speaking of coffee, I'm just blitzing through Twin Peaks The Return and I'm at episode 10 still waiting for him to say "Damn good coffee" so I can go full on...

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  10. Three "NORMALLY" very winnable games in November, if we can pick up six points from these games, I think we will have a decent chance of surviving, and lets hope it will be nine points :cool:
     
  11. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    Except that it was "Damn fine coffee" that he says, not "good" :)
     
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  12. Carpster

    Carpster Reservist

    Ahhh optimisim gotta love it. I can't even see where the next goal is coming from, let alone points.
     
  13. Oopsie! I stand corrected. :)

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  14. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    More akin to the scene of enlightenment in A Clockwork Orange.
     
  15. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Sometimes you just have to call it like it is. When there's nothing to be positive about, that's the way it is. If we win at Norwich, then I can see a little bit of hope, but lose that, then it really is pretty much all over.

    To stay up, even by the slimmest of margins, you'd have to win around 9 or 10 games at least. Let's be optimistic and say 36 points will be enough this season. That would mean 10 wins plus 1 draw. We have 27 matches remaining. consider how tough we find playing the top 6, especially away from home and you can add Leicester to this list of difficult fixtures this season.

    I'd say Liverpool (h & a), Man City (h ), Arsenal (a ), Leicester (a ), Chelsea ( a) are unlikely to yield any points at all. I think most people would agree with that. I'd even give us a chance against United (h & a) to get a point, and Spurs (h ) to get something from that......potentially.

    But if we consider those 6 games I've listed as certain defeats, then we're only looking at 21 games where we potentially have a chance of getting a positive result, which is including games at Old Trafford, or United, Spurs, Leicester at home, West Ham away all are extremely difficult games.

    We'd have to win 10 out of 21......of course not impossible, but margins for error are very slim now. This is why it HAS to start on Friday. Win that, then it becomes 9 in 20 and so on. This is the only way we can look at things right now.

    Wins bring confidence and optimism. Only the players on the pitch can do that, and until they start winning, no one can really be optimistic with any degree of logic.
     
  16. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Reservist

    On the other hand, my 10 year old son says he doesn't want to take his Watford lunch box to school anymore, saying "I wouldn't mind if we weren't right at the bottom or if we had actually won a game". It's easy to shrug it off as character building when you're an adult, but when you're a kid and you see your team repeatedly lose and rarely score a goal, it has a negative effect
     
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  17. Sahorn

    Sahorn Reservist

    Deeney’s back (almost)
    Capoue is back
    Sarr is back
    It’s only 6th November, not 1st May.
    27 games to go = 81 points to play for.
    The law of averages.
    VAR will be on our side occasionally.
    We soak up pressure in away games and will hit them on the counter when Sarr (and Deeney) play.
    Norwich are there for the taking.
    One win will change everything - the mood and optimism in the squad will be palpable. (Sic)
    There are 3 teams who will end up worse than us over the season.
    QSF realises he has to be a LITTLE more positive.
    New blood is being lined up in the January window, including wonder kid Pedro.
    QSF is only here to shore up the defence and keep us up. Next season there will be a fresh new coach.
    The gallows humour but deep down passion and support by Watford fans.
    We keep the Hertfordshire moose/stag and our existing club badge.
     
  18. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    What have they done?
     
  19. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    Only back in training yesterday so can't see that they will be reday to play 4 days later at Norwich though....
     
  20. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Liverpool away is for the only game we are virtually guaranteed nothing. The rest, tough as they are, are games where clearly we will not be favourites but there is a chance, even Man City last season at home we only lost 2-1. I know they should have won more comfortably, much like Chelsea on Saturday, but if you stay in games like those then you never know
    Friday is massive as most people have said and for me we have to win. We can't bank on who might come in during January as it may be too late so we need to make sure we are in the pack and to do this we obviously need to win some games starting with Norwich. They have a lot on injuries at the back and if we press like we did at times vs Chelsea I think we should win and maybe give us some confidence
     
  21. hornmeister

    hornmeister Administrator Staff Member

    Back Street's back - all right.
     
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  22. hornmeister

    hornmeister Administrator Staff Member



    If we win Friday this should replace Z-Cars
     
  23. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Saw a list of teams that hadn't won till now and about half of them stayed up so there is hope ..

    The next 4 games really are must wins almost otherwise we probably are doomed .
     
  24. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Deulofeu is due a world class performance, should be coming against Norwich if I've calculated correctly.
     
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  25. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    Shame about Pukki's incoming double hat-trick though.
     
  26. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Law of averages says it will.
     
  27. LPC213

    LPC213 Reservist

    Looking further forward, we look like we are in a better position than the likes of Sunderland were, so we shouldn't necessarily drop down twice although it is possible.

    Nothing overly positive about this season other than we were previously unlucky under Javi, so clearly know how to create some chances. But he's gone and we are now playing for 30 nil nil draws.
     
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  28. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    Way too analytical. Enjoy the game.
     
  29. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    Kindly count me out of all this 'we all do' and 'we all know it's over' stuff. Who the f.ck do you think you are? Speak for yourself not me. And the same advice goes to hb1 (a persistent offender) and moog who have both done exactly the same thing again today. I speak for myself. OK? Ta.

    It's important that we win on Friday. If we don't it's not necessarily the end of the world. But it might be. A personal opinion. Nothing to do with 'we all know' stuff ...

    I'm done with your blind platitudes around what it is to be a supporter of a middling football club like ours. We all know the territory. So what is the point of you consistently posting the blindingly obvious like it's a minute of a meeting of WFC inc. or something, or a boorish precis of this thread or another as opposed to the faintest chance of offering something original? What exactly is 'the old Watford'? And what exactly is the point of you?

    And what have the Pozzos done for us over the last two/seven years? Well, a damn sight more than you.
     
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2019
  30. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Reservist

    Thats fine. I accept your view, and I appologise for any statement that was hurtful.

    It was however my own view and i accept the "We" statements should of been "I".

    What I will say is, although that is indeed your view in what I put, do not question my loyalty or anyone elsez to this club. We're in this together, and of course the Pozzos have done more than I have.i was getting at the lack of investment in key areas that we all know about.

    How dare you say I am not worthy to be alive either. "What is the point of you?" How else do I interpret that? That's too far.

    I respect you, as a fan and a valued member of this forum But do not personally attack me in such a way again. I expressed a view, I may of mislead on a few things, again I appiologise for that.
     
  31. 3000

    3000 Reservist

    I would never wish failure upon us but from a personal perspective I genuinely would enjoy being in the championship next season purely for the away days. Luton, QPR, Charlton, Brentford, Barnsley, Bristol City, Birmingham, Fulham and maybe Wycombe all away. I go to football to be entertained and follow my team regardless of what division they are in so all those trips would be very enjoyable.

    Furthermore I might get the chance to see Watford attempt to enter the opposition half and maybe have an attempt on goal every once in a while. Sorry but parking the bus scraping 0-0 draws at home doesn’t quite get the blood pumping for me.
     
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  32. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Reservist

    Yep. Cheaper admission for non ST holders too. Better food and who can resist being cuddled up in a coat and scarf on a cold Tuesday evening under the light at the Vic? It's what dreams are made of.
     
  33. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    What's more, in the Championship, you can be winless after 12 games, but still, realistically, put together a run of 3 on the spin and then eye up a push for the playoffs.
     
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  34. BeersThen

    BeersThen Academy Graduate

    You've still got some way to go before that happens...
     
  35. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    You really think they'd drop ticket prices?
     

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