Huddersfield vs Watford 14/04/18

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Steve Leo Beleck, Apr 8, 2018.

  1. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    Apparently Cathcart was pretty solid so seems like his return to the starting line-up was pretty much the only positive.

    I've barely been on here the last couple of weeks and have struggled to even motivate myself to watch the extended highlights on the website (I play football myself during the Saturday 3pm kick offs). I can't wait for this season to be over but would not be surprised if the absolute sh*te such as Deeney, Holebas, Capoue and Prodl are still here come August.
     
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  2. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Academy Graduate

    Good point -That has genuinely made me feel warm and fuzzy inside , well it’s either your post or the pork I ate that was 2 weeks past it’s best before date
     
  3. Tommy Tommy Smith

    Tommy Tommy Smith Academy Graduate

    Cathcart was good I thought for the most part, considering he can't be fully fit. I have nothing against Mariappa as he is definitely committed to the cause despite being limited, but Jesus Christ he is not a left back. Don't understand why he didn't drop Kiko back and put Janmaat across, or vice versa.

    Bit of a **** show really, thankfully my last game until next season.
     
  4. Sahorn

    Sahorn Reservist

    Humble apologies, my proof reader wasn’t available at that time of the morning - just can’t get the staff these days. :(
     
  5. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Another poor piece of tactical judgement. The better solution was to bring Richarlison for Janmaat and switch Kiko to the right.
     
  6. Sahorn

    Sahorn Reservist

    And your username with that blue blade gives me nightmares I’m going to be attacked by a hoard of orcs.
    Keeps me awake so I’m posting at 2.30am. :confused:
     
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2018 at 10:05 PM
  7. Unhappy bunny

    Unhappy bunny Squad Player

    I don't think we can blame the defence for yesterday's debacle. A midfielder should have tracked Ince's run.

    Which isn't to say that the defence hasn't let us down in other games recently
     
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  8. Squibba

    Squibba Predictor Choker 14/15

    Thought I might feel different some 24 hours later but I really don't. Bit of an open letter / vent but I have to say bar a few shock results, the whole Premier League experience has been a complete dud. The worst thing is, some of the problems have been there for ages.

    Far too many rubbish players have passed through our doors here and looking at this current squad none of Prodl, Mariappa, Holebas, Britos, Okaka, Capoue (been better mind) or Deeney should be regular Prem starters, bench at best. We can't afford to keep carrying that many players per season.

    We can't keep being charged £400+ a season ticket for some of the worst football in the Prem. Apart from Silva's start, we're utterly sh*te to watch. From QSF's 4-6-0 formations with Jurado to Mazzarri's complete incompetence and Javi's Deeney sole striker hoof formation.

    We cannot continue to carry injuries like this, Chalobah has gone from returning to first team training by Xmas to not playing again all season, Cleverley will not gonna be seen again this season. Why> Deulofeu looked superb, Kabasele our best CB and as for Kaboul **** knows where he is?

    What about the youngsters as well? Jerome Sinclair looked a good signing but has done nothing as is clearly not cut out for Prem football, other than that have we even got some academy products good enough to utilise off the bench? We must have the lowest number of club grown players in the league. Who was the last player we developed / made better? Should've been success.

    I appreciate you can't get every signing right and the likes of Doccoure, Kiko, Hughes & Cleverley have been excellent additions but we're still signing some duds like N'Dong which is making less sense with each passing day and the lack of real investment in the defensive area, too much cost cutting going on and still some question marks over weird decisions. Letting Vydra go and never replacing him, Layun going on to become a Champions League player, letting Amrabat go without sufficient back up. Not signing a decent left back when Holebas is clearly over the hill.

    There also seems to be rotting smell lingering in the dressing room where every manager seems to fall out with the squad and they down tools after 2/3 good games, are we signing too many players with poor attitudes? It's just damn right boring now and I'm sick of spending so much money to be served up DROSS football and **** effort.

    It's not a crisis by any stretch, we'll stay up and we'll stay up next season too but I honestly had more fun watching the likes of Carl Dickinson, Don Cowie and Craig Forsyth giving 110% each week. They were 110% sh*t but at least they played to the best of their abilities. I just hope with the likes of Kiko, Hughes, Chalobah, Doccoure, Richarlison, Kabasele, Penadranda, the new keeper and some signings involved in the first team next season, it might be an enjoyable Saturday again.

    I must stress I am talking strictly about the football side of things. I'm sure profits are good, the ground looks amazing, the heritage and community work is great but I don't honestly don't care I just want to enjoy watching Watford again.
     
  9. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose First Year Pro

    Great post Squibba well said and truly from the heart too.

    Can just also add to that why did we give extended contracts for two players who would hardly get a look on with a fully fit starting 11 and the same two players who make such amateur mistakes.

    Is that a sign Gino is happy with the current defence? I mean I know we desperately need a good striker but sorting out back three must come first.

    Still have love for Gomes but he’s not got long left in him, been a real pro for us though.
     
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  10. ITKJim

    ITKJim Reservist

    Keeping players under contract ensures that we get money for them when they leave. How many players have had their contracts run out in the last couple of years? If they're under contract we can get transfer/loan fees for them.
     
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  11. ITKJim

    ITKJim Reservist

    You don't know why Femenia was subbed, he could have had a knock or just been knackered. Also, the defence looked like they might actually keep a clean sheet for once so why change it?
     
  12. dynamo380

    dynamo380 Reservist

    Not to mention it all came about from a striker giving the ball away cheaply again
     
  13. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    There was no sign of injury and nothing has been reported as such since, so you have to conclude it was for tactical reasons.

    Janmaat, as with all our defenders, has a mistake in him. Kiko is far more reliable at right back.

    To my mind it would make more sense to take off a Janmaat and switch Kiko. Had he done this, the winning goal could have been avoided as Janmaat was culpable
     
  14. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Good post. Interesting you mention the ticket price a couple of times though. The club would no doubt point out your ‘legacy’ season ticket is one of the cheapest in the division and considerably cheaper than for those who only bought one from 15/16 onwards or those who buy game by game. (At least I’m assuming that’s what you have as all the others are £500+).

    I predicted this sort of post at the time we went up. The hype of the PL far exceeds what it actually delivers and once reality hits home people soon get frustrated. It’s attritional and everyone has too much to lose to risk more than a few minutes of gung ho football every few matches. I genuinely think we’d be lucky to get 1 genuinely enjoyable season in every 10 at this level.
     
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  15. Diamond

    Diamond Squad Player

    Perfectly summed up from a fans perspective. 100% with you on that, (except that I thought that Amrabat was very poor).
     
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  16. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Unfortunately what you (or I) want is one of the last priorities on the owners list. Pretty much every fan of the smaller premier league teams are saying the same thing I bet.
     
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  17. Lloyd

    Lloyd Reservist

    I wish they'd double the price of season tickets to keep whinging little cheapskates like you away
     
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2018 at 1:37 PM
  18. Sting

    Sting Reservist

    Spoken like a true Tory toff. Mustn't let the riff-raff clutter up our nice ground must we?:)
     
  19. Squibba

    Squibba Predictor Choker 14/15

    Lol I'm 22 years old you weirdo.
     
  20. Meh!

    Meh! Pre-Dictator

    It's strange when I see how other teams play vs how we play. Swansea, Palace, Brighton, Newcastle... hell even Stoke, Southampton and West Brom all play much better football than our team. Entertaining and a good mix of attack vs defence. Even v the big sides you sense that they have a bit of a threat about them.

    At our best we generally seem flat and uninspiring. At our worst we are dreadful. And in both situations we are awful to watch.

    As for Squibba's confidence about next season - the past 3 season's I have been confident - next season I'm not so sure for once.

    A lot of the teams who struggled this year all have decent teams. The ones coming up are potentially very strong.

    I think next year could be our toughest season and if we don't get the standard early season boost of the past 3 seasons then it could be a very long year.
     
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  21. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Just seen the highlights and it was as I expected. It's a rerun of so many of our matches. We played well in parts. Probing well without too much cutting edge. Only getting a couple of shots on target.

    We showed a better desire in defence, but we routinely do so many bad things all at once. Gray needlessly gives the ball away. This is just lofted high to the edge of our penalty area. This should be just a routine clearance, but Prodl makes a complete hash of it. The ball travels to the edge of the 6 year box, where it's cut back through Janmaat's legs and Ince is left totally unmarked to score.

    We had so many chances to prevent that attack, but systematic failings from different players, one after another, gifted Huddersfield a soft goal. It's been like this for the entire season.

    It's this groundhog day scenario that's so depressing. It's repetitive but somehow always seems to surprise our players.
     
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  22. Meh!

    Meh! Pre-Dictator

    And Manager which is equally worrying.
     
  23. jw-

    jw- Reservist

    I'm not so sure about that. Our points tally may be less than last year meaning we're on a downward slope since getting promoted. With more of the dross teams like Stoke and West Brom getting relegated, and ambitious teams like Wolves getting promoted, we really need to buck up our ideas.

    Another injury farce like the last two years I think we'll go down. We also need a goal scorer and at least 2 solid defenders.
     
  24. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Reservist

    We need mobile defenders more than solid ones.
     
  25. Simmos

    Simmos First Year Pro

    In the last three games we have allowed three substitutes to score being Defoe, Vokes and now Ince. Gracia is far too slow in making changes to match the opposition. We could and probably should be 7 points better off had Gracia made effective substitutions to nullify the oppositions changes.
     
  26. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    There's nothing I can really add to that @Squibba but yesterday watching Sarries demolish The-Once-Mighty-Bath one of commentators (on BT) started to blame Bath's head coach, and Kiwi legend, Todd Blackadder only to have the other commentator to point out that "...it's not actually Todd who's out there dropping the passes and missing the tackles is it?"
     
  27. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Stoke and West Brom are long established premier league teams who's wage bill will dwarf any of the teams coming up. Southampton too (even more so) if they go down. The league will very definitely be weaker next season than this I'd say. Yes wolves look ok, but any of the others will be miles and miles worse than who goes down.

    That being said, we'll get relegated if we keep the grinning gnome in charge.
     
  28. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk Squad Player

    The West Brom and Southampton fans I know would strongly disagree with you
     
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  29. another_mrlizard

    another_mrlizard Squad Player

    The 'Sitting Section' is a feckin' embarrassment.

    Fine, some old farts have trouble standing throughout the game and want seats at the front, but that section was almost entirely middle-aged tarts, in Tesco denim and Mummy's Boys so fat that they sweat when they eat.
     
  30. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese First Year Pro

    Happy Birthday.
     
  31. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    I guess Sinclair was brought on to waste time - all it did was distract our defence to lose concentration and they scored.
     
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  32. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    How could you tell where that bit ended and the regular away support started?
     
  33. another_mrlizard

    another_mrlizard Squad Player

    The smell of piss-stained polyester lingered closer to the ground in that area.
     
  34. alphajohn247

    alphajohn247 Academy Graduate

     
  35. Lloyd

    Lloyd Reservist

    I wish they'd double the price of season tickets to keep whinging 22 year old little cheapskates like you away
     
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