F1/ Formula E/ Motorsport Thread

Interesting that some people in F1 think that Red Bull are cheating with Vettel's car. As Vettel is significantly faster in corners they suspect some form of traction control.

I don't quite believe they'd get away with that but I do believe Red Bull have something that is giving him the edge

 

What are the rules on booze at Brazilian football then? Total ban?

 

yep. no beer at all

 

Fed up with it to be honest. 9 times out of 10, any reliability issues fall on Mark's car. Not Seb's.

As much as i'll miss MW being in F1, the benefit is that i'll have absolutely no affinity to Red Bull.

 

Seb wins his 4th consecutive world championship, and Red Bull collect the constructors for 2013.

 

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz wake me up next season.

 

Vettel is just awesome - probably the best driver that has ever lived. He will make all records tumble in the coming years, and we'll be so privileged to be able to watch this happen.

 

Re the Mark's car breaks and Vettels doesn't, this may be down to driving style. It's highly unlikely Red Bull would waste millions on not giving Mark the best car they can, especially if he is out of the championship picture as this would risk the team championship, something they rank as more important than the driver's championship due to the money it brings in.

The same thing happened with Mansell years ago. He was well known as the fastest driver because it literally wrung the neck of the car, but ended up breaking them. Looking at his records he has a high proportion of DNFs and if championships were awarded on race wins he would have recieved at least 2 more.

That being aid the last race was the first one I didn;t watch and to be honest I didn't miss it. I'm quickly losing interest in F1.

 

You missed one hell of a race...














...Absolutely nothing of note happened.

 

Afraid I started to lose interest in F1 when Murray Walker retired. He was the the only person that could make an empty bit of tarmac sound interesting;

"...aaaaaand look at thaaaat GAP!"

Well, you had to be there.

 

If you've not done so, read his autobigraphy, it's very good. Try and pick up one that is not signed, it'll be worth more in the future as it's rarer, he seems to have signed the majority.

 

I will do, cheers!

 

I really hope that they have a crap car next year. Brundle did seem to hint that things may be a bit different next year. It could turn out similar to the last big change when Button in the Braun won the first 5 out of 6 due to having the best car, and clinched the title due to the fact it took the others time to play catch up. Massa in the Williams could be interesting.

 

Gutted about Dario, this was actually the first I'd heard about his retirement, although I had my suspicions after that crash! A real shame though, he's a great driver. I really need to stop having favourite IndyCar drivers... If something happens to Scott Dixon I'll know I'm cursed!

 

eerrr....no

That honour belongs to Jimmy Clark, from the era when drivers actually made the difference not the car. F1, rally, touring car, Indy car, le mans, nascar.... the guy was a master of them all.

Adrian Newey is the real genius behind Red Bull success, Vettel is a very good driver lucky enough to have found himself is a Newey car year after year

Newey hit factory: FW14, FW14B, FW15C, FW16, FW18, FW19, MP4-13, MP4-20, RB6, RB7, RB8, RB9.....

 

Vettel is no way the best driver ever. Now if he was to move to a lesser team like Ferrari this season and still walk it, I would perhaps give him more recognition.

If you look back to his earlier career, he wasn't actually that great. Di Resta outperformed him (in F3 I think it was) when they were teammates and he took some time to learn in F1 at first with Torra Rossa (when he ended up performing outstandingly). He is possibly the hardest working driver ever in terms of fitness, preparation with tires, testing, etc but he is aided by a good physical size in comparison to others (a modern day essential) but he lacks the skill of someone like Senna who could drive a tank to pole, especially in the wet.

 

it hadn't dropped below 30c all week (even at night) and now it's scheduled to **** down 'el nino' style all weekend. i don't even have waterproof shoes.

 

its too hot to wear a jacket. too wet to not wear a jacket. it's a real mind boggler

 

Standard Houston problem. The place where you get wetter from sweat than you do from the rain during a downpour.

 

And so ends the most boring F1 season in years

 

Good to see Mercedes get 2nd place, hopefully next season with the changes, it may throw up a more interesting spectacle, and hopefully see the re-emergence of the likes of McLaren. Very boring season, totally dominated by 1 team. Adrian Newey - well played once again sir.

Sorry to see MW go. But great way for him to finish his F1 career on the podium. Probably one of the more unlucky drivers not winning the WDC in his time though he probably deserved to. I'll certainly be following his post-F1 career with interest. All the best to him.

Mark Webber - 215* Declared.​

 

How was it the most boring? We've got to see a top class driver/team blow away all rivals. Would you rather Red Bull weren't quite so good just to make the races more 'exciting'? By that logic, the 1970's Brazil side completely ruined international football...

 

Yes please. Though it would help to clear things up in my eyes of Adrian Newey went to work for the FIA and designed one standard car. Make it about the drivers again as at the moment it's not.

 

So you'd want to go back to the glorious days of early 2000 when there was no single constructor that dominated? Oh hang on - Ferrari won six in a row.
Ok, let's go back to the 90's - Oops, Williams Renault did pretty much the same.
How about the 80's? Hmmm, Williams and McClaren won six on the bounce with Honda engines.
Ok then, back to the 70's. Oh dear, Ford engines were rather good weren't they? Won seven in a row!
Perhaps we need to go back to the 50's and 60's - or maybe we could just have F1 based loosely on Wacky Races. Vettel could play Dastardly.

 

Yeah, I know it'll never happen but at the moment it's dull because Vettel has a vastly superior car and the input from Red Bull to keep it that way.

 

But that's always been the case - over the course of a season, a driver is only as good as the car he's given to drive. And it doesn't stop there - the speed of a pit stop can dramatically effect the course of the race. The skill of the driver is just one (albeit crucial) part of a team effort. Either accept this reality or go watch another sport, because it isn't going to ever change. I'm not sure I'd want it to either.