Would it help the discussion to say that I am much more of an engarche man than a trequartista? Especially when employing a shadow striker
Careful Legs, the resident WFCforums creeper might start e-stalking you to uncover "dirt" with his telephoto lens.
Well perhaps, world class coaches are qualified to speak about the nuanced differences between a classic attacking midfielder and a 'trequartista'. But 99.99% of people who use the term aren't.
"It's better than the majority who don't even begin to have the slightest clue about what a manager is doing with the team" "Yes, let's all be luddites and wilfully ignore any tactical analysis of the sport" "The fact that Gary Neville dials down for the lowest common denominator" Three comments that probably go a lot of the way to explaining why others find some of the people that use these terms pretentious. There is a clear implication that only the more cultured, educated football fans are aware of these concepts and therefore they are involved in some kind of discussion on a higher plane. As for the person who couldn't believe I couldn't find an article on Trequartistas in a mainstream publication, I apologise as I have now found one. It's a quiz from the Guardian called Are You a Football Hipster? You can take it below if you wish although I can probably guess the result... http://www.theguardian.com/football/quiz/2013/oct/29/are-you-a-football-hipster
I wonder what Doumbia s favourite breakfast cereal is? I have him down as a Golden Grahams fan, but because you cant get them in Russia or Italy he has to have them expensively imported. On days that he runs out he is very grumpy because he is forced to eat the Russian equivlant of cornflakes which are 30% sawdust and 27% polystyrene.
At least that's a return to the thread topic. Can we have a thread for endless nit picking over the use of contemporary footballing terminology please?
Well, I reckon they should just let them know they're there, earn the right to play, play nice little balls down the channels, hoof it up to the big guy up front, win the second ball and bang it into the net. This coaching lark, simple innit?
The problem with your perspective is that you're ******* on people for using terms you think are pointless or pretentious, rather than people laughing at you for not knowing what they're talking about. Your post unravels from there, really. If you'd rather take three sentences to describe what others do in two words, that's your right. Terminology exists for brevity of communication, nothing more. If you want to make it about being "pretentious" or a "football hipster" then you've missed the point entirely.
Nothing wrong with the traditional Russian breakfast of a big bowl of kasha, black bread and 3 vodkas
Exactly, people are completely free to use as brief or long-winded terminology when talking about the sport we all love as they want, I make no judgement on it and nor have I expressed it. What does shock me is that, on an internet forum solely dedicated to discussing football, some people believe it's actually a positive thing to take the **** and lambast other posters for using language that is too detailed. In what possible way does this affect you? When would it ever be appropriate to discourage intelligent discussion? Mrlizard, you know so much about military history, and with good reason too (!), do people start being ********s to you for discussing an enfilade, for example?
Agreed Cthulu , Vodka for breakfast is by far the best way to start the day . Best saved for holidays and non work days though
There's a difference between peers knowledgeably discussing a comlex subject amongst themselves and one or two people using jargonese in an environment within which the majority do not have understanding, requirement, desire or need for it to discuss their subject. To use such language in such an environment is certainly elitest, and arguably pretentious, and in my experience, often used to disguise the fact that the user frequently has no better understanding than anyone else; generally they only know the circumstances in which the language is likely to be used, relying on others not wanting to appear ignorant by challenging them. I have no idea what is the case here, but do feel that people making use of such phrases here are more likely limiting the understanding of their post, rather than spreading their thoughts and messages. It is dificult to think that would be the intention, but hey ho. Pivot will become parlance over the next year. Tri..... will only ever be used pretentiously, because 95% of players and fans, and me too, will not be able to say or spell it.
And in those days it was the centre-half (i.e. the only central defender) who journalists (but not real people) described as the pivot.
I used to play outside-pivot-and-a-half-iesta I was a bit of a specialist at it if I do say so myself
I used to play at no. 5. My tactics could be described in four letters ... hoof. Ah the good old days.
You lot would find any reason to have an argument on this forum I had no idea what the terms meant and now I'm enlightened. My day has been enriched
A few years back, I saw someone talk about a double pivot (the aforementioned Watford scout in relation to Josh McEachran prior to us signing him, to be precise) and I thought "WTF does that mean?". I then went to Google, typed in "what is a double-pivot", and proceeded to educate myself about what the man was talking about. This took me very little effort and I actually learned something in the process. To put it another way, every single person in this thread complaining about jargon has spent more time complaining people using it than it took me to look it up and find out. If we all start avoiding using certain words because someone might not understand what they mean, we'll be communicating exclusively through the use of monosyllabic four letter words in no time at all. There's no shame in not knowing something, but many people are too proud to admit when they don't.
Too right. We're supposed to be discussing Doumbia. Not trying to better one another with technical terms.
I tried to get it back on subject with fascinating insiders chat on Doumbias day to day life, but it failed miserably
Apparently he would rather go to west ham than us, this is according to some media thing in Africa so could be true but also could be nonsense. All I know is I am loving Watford being linked to all these top quality players, keep the rumours coming!! The more media attention we get the better. Albeit some of it not so good with being rejected and all that by some stuck up players who think there too good for us! Watch them all come crawling next season when we establish ourselves in the top 4 this season!
He's probably been reading up on Andy Carroll and figured out he'll get more playing time if he joins West Ham
Shouldn't be a choice then with the Chinese share index falling quicker than an AFC Bournemouth player in the box!
If he went to Russia to play in 2010 - he is probably only motivated by the size of the pay packet - if so jog on mate!
