[REPORTED] Dimitris Giannoulis

Discussion in 'The Transfer List' started by hornetboy1, Aug 18, 2020.

  1. Ainzrocker

    Ainzrocker First Year Pro

    Guess the thought is that Masina wants to go back to Italy and Estupinan may yet be subject to a big offer. Bringing in Giannoulis would suddenly make us strong in that department so we could afford to offer out Masina on loan and have cover for losing Estupinan.
     
  2. barely1egal

    barely1egal Academy Graduate

    I am not sure Masina suits the role Ivic asks his full backs to play. Ivic's wingers seem to play almost like wingers and are relied upon to provide a lot of the attacking width. Masina seems lost once he crosses the half way line.
     
  3. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    ... and in his own box. and in that bit between his own box and the half way line.
     
  4. Ainzrocker

    Ainzrocker First Year Pro

    Even more reason to look at bringing someone else in.
     
  5. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Reservist

    I was replying to the previous post about both leaving.

    Even if one leaves we still need a second LB
     
  6. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    I’d happily lose Masina in reality. Nice guy - but started really slowly at the club before a brief improvement last season - but he was dreadful after lockdown culminating in one of the worst 45 mins performances I saw from a Watford player in the PL. When people wanted rid of him before he had a run in the side, I was always on the ‘let him have a run of games and then judge’ side of the fence - he’s had that now and not shown enough IMO.

    For whatever reason, I’ve always got a sense that he would rather be back playing in Italy as well and that he’s a bit of a passenger who’s heart isn’t really in it. I’d happily see the Greek player replace him if the finances mean it’s almost a straight swap - but the problem arises if we are keeping Estupinan. The Greek surely won’t join if he’s not assured the LB spot.
     
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  7. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Reservist

    I'm NOT suggesting there have been movements on this transfer, but maybe it's time we went back in for him
     
  8. lutonh8a

    lutonh8a Reservist

    If Estupinan is a goner then we should be all over this signing, get 15 million for PE and spend 6 million on Giannoulis wouldn't be bad business.
     
  9. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Reservist

    Even if we sell Estupinan for the rumoured £15m (well below his true value imo), Giannoulis is supposedly available for €5m, so it's a no-brainer
     
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  10. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Academy Graduate

    Matty Cash was signed for a fee rising to £16m. Yes he's English, but he's never played in a top division. We have to ask for more than €15m for Estupinan.
     
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  11. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    It really would be.
     
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  12. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Matty Cash, a punt from the Championship sold for £16m. Doucoure an established Premier League player sold for £20m. I still can't get over why the club mugged themselves off like that. Really bad business as far as I'm concerned.
     
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  13. Ágætis Byrjun

    Ágætis Byrjun Reservist

    Always a premium on English players but still.

    Ship the old boys, fine, but start shipping the youngsters... what's the method here? If he's going we need to wait to sign a new LB first or we'll be stuffed. Sema literally just showed the difference a left-footed crosser can make.

    Good luck to Pervis. Fair enough, it would be a move for European ambition unlike Doucoure. Hope he turns himself into a £50m player.
     
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  14. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    To sell a player with the potential to become world class. Who has been scouted by the so called biggest clubs in Europe only for him to toddle off to Spain for a paltry £15M would be appalling. Remember promotion is worth far more than that. I sincerely hope it is just a rumour. Pervis would tear up this division and excel in the PL which we will need to do if we do go up in order to stay up. Short term vision is not a good idea.
     
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  15. Carpster

    Carpster Reservist

    Surely we wouldn't sell him unless someone else is lined up.
     
  16. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    I'd like to hope it is Ryan Manning instead of Giannoulis.

    Both look like a significant downgrade on Estupinan though.
     
  17. Muggins_77

    Muggins_77 Academy Graduate

    Oh we would!

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  18. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Reservist

    Oh no we wouldn't!
     
  19. IRB

    IRB THe artist formally know as ImRonBurgundy?

    Keep dreaming

    We'll replace him with some chump who has made 5 appearances for Udinese over the last 6 years
     
  20. They had to sell and that was the only offer. That's why.
     
  21. NorwegianOrn

    NorwegianOrn Academy Graduate

    No need for this guy as long as we have Kiko IMO.
     
  22. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    If Everton only offered £10m, would they still sell, being the only fee on offer?

    I don't subscribe to that. Their valuation of Doucoure as £20m is what I don't understand. I get they need to sell players, but selling Doucoure that cheaply means they are now going to have to sell someone else just to make up the difference.

    Doucoure still had 3 years on his contract. We held all the cards. Everton really wanted him. Had we played hardball, just as Rennes did to us over Sarr, then we'd have got £30m from them I'm sure. Everton had been chasing him for years.

    Now we sold so cheaply, it tells everyone else we're a soft touch, desperate for cash. Now it's transpires that's how it's panning out by selling Estupinan, someone of immense promise, for just £15m.
     
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  23. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    Do do do do de do Marvin Zeegelar!
     
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  24. Since63

    Since63 Reservist

    I think it’s clear we need to pull in some transfer fees quick, and reduce the wage bill. Maybe as part of some covenant linked to refinancing existing loans...the main issue is how deep does that go...we could well be in deeper short-term trouble than we all feared.
     
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  25. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Could well be, and it's a sorry state the owners have put us in after being so good for so long.
     
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  26. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Why is this guy good? Can't find any info in between the talking about Holebas, Greek holiday destinations and describing the guy's name as an illness.
     
  27. They are clearly more aware than us of 1/ the need to sell and 2/ what Everton would do if we insisted on a higher figure. They made the call based on that.
     
  28. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Yes....and it was poor business. No one can really argue that their judgement has been good over recent months. Bad calls, bad decisions and bad judgement resulted in relegation. Why would this poor activity suddenly be reversed? They may pull it around, but until I see real evidence of it, I'm not going assume it, or make excuses for them.
     
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  29. Hairyfrog

    Hairyfrog Squad Player

    Evertons Ace card was knowing Doucoure wanted to go to them, we were never going to keep a sulky assed, non playing, player, who's value would have only decreased.
     
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  30. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Doucoure himself said he turned down other offers.

    I agree with the wider point that we had to sell him - but sadly we were too empathetic to the player and allowed him to dictate the transfer which meant we have likely lost somewhere between £5m-£8m in my opinion. His odd desire to only go to Everton put one hand behind our backs sadly.
     
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  31. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Completely agree. Pozzo seems desperate to flog our saleable assets on the cheap. Hard to feel confident in the owner at the moment. Looking like we could throw away the best opportunity for promotion in a very long time.
    Very disappointed.
     
  32. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    I’m not sure he is determined to sell them on the cheap - but we do seem petrified of letting the market play out. There is plenty of buzz around our more attractive assets so I fail to believe we couldn’t sell them late in the window for the same fee’s we are talking about now if we absolutely had to.

    And if we are in a situation where we have to sell them, then whilst I recognise it’s important not to look desperate or to be ripped off, then I think the club need to be more transparent with fans about that. They can save themselves a lot of anger heading their way when the eventual sales happen if they do. But the longer they are quiet and selling quality players for average to low fee’s, then they will deserve every word that comes their way IMO.
     
  33. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Reservist

    Whatever you think of recent years Gino Pozzo is unlikely to have suddenly lost all business sense.

    Methinks it'd be easy to rushing to pile on without, perhaps, the full picture.
     
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  34. Ha they clearly needed you round the negotiation table with them to fill them in on exactly how much more they could have squeezed out of Everton. They clearly took the first offer !
     
  35. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    I agree. Crap negotiators. You have to be prepared to walk away from a deal. Call Everton's bluff. I think Harry Hornet would have got more out of Everton than £20m for Doucoure. £20m........it's just a joke.
     
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