Birmingham City 0-1 Watford Fc - 12/12/2020

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by Smudger, Dec 9, 2020.

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Who Will Win Who Cares ?

Poll closed Dec 11, 2020.
  1. Watford by 1 goal

    6 vote(s)
    12.8%
  2. Watford by 2 goals or more

    3 vote(s)
    6.4%
  3. Watford by 3 goals or more

    4 vote(s)
    8.5%
  4. No Score Draw

    16 vote(s)
    34.0%
  5. Score Draw

    6 vote(s)
    12.8%
  6. Birmingham by 1 goal

    6 vote(s)
    12.8%
  7. Birmingham by 2 goals

    2 vote(s)
    4.3%
  8. Birmingham by 3 goals

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. I feel like giving up on Watford FC

    4 vote(s)
    8.5%
  1. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    you can turn off notifications for quotes, but it can't be for just your ignore list I'm afraid. Click your username top right and all the settings are there.
     
  2. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Spending those amounts is wishful thinking sadly. Especially with little income making it’s way in. We’ve probably just about balanced the shortfall for this year but it’ll start all over again this summer if we don’t go up.

    Spending money in January will be mean selling Sarr/Hughes/JP beforehand.
     
  3. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    I'm also not sure T-E is any better than Cathcart and Kabasele, but think that if we hadn't signed him we'd have needed to start our last match with Wilmot and Sierralta at CB (gulp!!), so in that sense his signing has strengthened us.

    If we didn't have Garner we might have had to give some starts to Phillips as well...
     
  4. Darrenje

    Darrenje First Year Pro

    Looking at what we actually have on the pitch, the results are ok. We aren’t conceding goals like last season, the problem is we aren’t firing up front.
    Watching any game in any division this season have you actually been ‘entertained’, I doubt you could count no more then 4-5 games, most of the time the game is just on in the background, there’s no atmosphere without the crowd, how many players thrive of this, you’ll always play better with a crowd behind you.
    For me the problem with Ivic is he doesn’t wear his heart on his sleeve, but he is doing what he’s expected to do, grind out results.
     
  5. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    I would’ve thought it was a pre-requisite for any serious professional football club, but is it possible that we don’t do any analysis on the teams we are going to play?

    I say this as a means to explain how we play away, we’ve played some awful teams that we are definitely below us in quality yet set up defensively, often with 5 at the back.

    To me, it seems inexplicable if we’ve actually done any homework in these teams, what with home advantage being more or less redundant at the moment.

    Or maybe it is just as simple as Ivic being a particularly negative and cautious coach.
     
  6. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    No, of course it isn't. Next question please
     
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  7. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    So we do pre-game on Wycombe and decide we should go 5 at the back?
     
  8. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    And? So what? We should all ignore the deficiencies in his game and the poor performances he puts in offering almost no goalscoring threat or movement as our starting centre forward (when he puts in those performances)?

    'Adapting his game' is an incredibly generous way of viewing what he has done, which is get slower than he ever was and move and offer an option even less than he used to whilst still receiving a seemingly guaranteed starting spot.

    I do not blame Deeney for all our problems, and his position is a failure of recruitment as much as anything else, but his own personal failings on the pitch and as a professional footballer are extremely well-documented on here, and I certainly won't ignore them for some misguided automatic deference to him because he's been here a long time.
     
  9. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Most of us just aren't as fascistically intolerant of any view of the club and players that is divergent/not overwhelmingly positive regardless of context.
     
  10. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Personally I will readily admit that it's the right thing to do to credit a player who is good at scoring penalties as being good at penalties, and including that in a list of their assets as a striker. But it's equally madness to pretend that it carries the same weight as most other traditional striker/goalscoring attributes, or that it has the same worth when determining the overall quality of a striker as scoring regularly from open play.

    Here's a question that isn't even really a question: if we were in the market for a new striker and were choosing between two, one of who had scored 20 goals from open play in the league the previous season, and one who had scored 20 penalties (no goals from open play) in the same period, which one would you want the club to buy?
     
  11. lutonh8a

    lutonh8a Squad Player

    Troy got a goal and assist in midweek and a goal yesterday so you could argue that he does offer a goalscoring threat.
     
  12. onion8837

    onion8837 Reservist

    Or where one of our players can clear a one man wall with a free kick...
     
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  13. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    That, very sadly, is true. Garner must just get them by default simply because he’s a Utd player. I can’t believe anyone in our team could actually be worse than him at them, though.
     
  14. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I've seen him this year and cows ar5e and banjo spring to mind
     
  15. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Not my cup of tea to be fair with constant battering of his own team even if it's in jest but just ignore it
     
  16. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    All I can say is over time we will much more grateful for the contribution of a guy who cost 500k has made to the club than any other striker I can think of in the last 10 years.

    Most of us anyway but I accept we probably ought to move on if we had anyone useful to come in which maybe will Perica.

    Wonder if Gray organised a poker party on the way home for the lads?
     
  17. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    You're probably right, but if we could find it we could realistically gain a lot more from going up.

    Guess this is the argument for selling Sarr and buying three or four above average Championship players.
     
  18. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I’m sure there must be more to it and he’s probably the best at them when they do drills in the week. But sadly, drills are not the same as a live match environment and he’s failed too often in that setting. I think he now just gets them by default as no one else steps up apart from the odd time Cleverley takes over and does just as bad.

    But it’s time to share them around and see what else they can do. They also do that short routine to Sema when they have corners on the left but it’s been worked out now yet we still do it - yesterday we inexplicably turned a corner into a throw just by trying it again. Sema is obviously deemed good enough at crossing the ball but is allergic at hitting a dead ball.
     
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  19. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    Hamilton M-acadamia-cals?
     
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  20. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

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  21. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Personally I don’t find it any more intolerable than the few on here (not yourself) who steadfastly refuse to accept any criticism of things.

    Plus I think some just take it too literally. Moog says all these things and I firmly believe he’s furious at the way the team is set up and the way the club is currently run. But he clearly cares and wants us to win - because he’s a fan. Any comment to the contrary he makes are obviously tongue-in-cheek and more fool anyone who takes it seriously quite honestly!
     
  22. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Furthermore, not sure I trust these owners or this manager with that kind of money at this level.

    Get Cucho back, try and loan a creative midfielder who is capable of breaking the lines, keep Hughes and get Masina fit. If we have money, keep it - providing the above happens.

    Outgoings should be Gray, Murray for definite IMO.
     
  23. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    This is the absolute most desperate thing, even more so if Hughes continues his insanely spotty appearance/availability record. Either an intelligent player who can break the lines, or a direct one who can actually carry the ball and drive the attack through the centre.

    Or indeed both, in an ideal, moon-man kind of world.
     
  24. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Dreamworld mate. Dreamworld.
     
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  25. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Always nice to see a victory but would you be happy if we hadn't got the lucky pen and had just meandered to the 0-0 draw with just 4 shots in the whole game again such poor quality oppo while Muff hit 5 and Norwich won away at a far better Blackburn ?
     
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  26. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I agree and can see Murray going back but Gray will not being going as who will take him on the obscene wages and general lack of ability?
     
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  27. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Yes, in all seriousness I don’t think we could actually give Gray away for free. With his wages I think we’d have to at least partially pay his contract up so he could maybe negotiate a longer deal at a lower wage elsewhere.

    Maybe we could tempt Sheffield Utd into a loan and we pay some of his wages?
     
  28. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    I'm happy if we play badly and win; less happy if we play badly and lose; and if we play badly and draw I'm somewhere in between. Other teams' results don't affect my mood until towards the end of the season. I hope that answers your question
     
  29. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Of course not. But there would be a huge steaming pile of 'a point isn't to be sniffed at' rolled out had that happened.
     
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  30. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Indeed. Moreover, it was away so would have been painted as a positive outcome.
     
  31. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Sema did take the corner which led to the goal midweek, I don't know if that was exactly what was intended, but it did go in
     
  32. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    Unfortunately, no-one will want Gray.
     
  33. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    If you don't have a dream, how you gonna make your dream come true?
     
  34. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    Lol.

    You are really quite childish, like a hysterical tweener having a hyperbolic tantrum over the smallest insignificant thing.
     
  35. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    The irony will be lost on you, but for anyone with an iota of self awareness it would be quite stark.
     

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