Bigmouth Strikes Again!!!

In life generally, many of us make what are at the time utterly stupid mistakes. If we're lucky, we learn a lot from those mistakes, and go on to much greater things, whatsoever those things may be.

Whilst not surprised, it gives me no pleasure at all to read about Deeney's demise at FGR.

I had more front than Blackpool at one stage in my life, but (IMHO) I went on to become a jolly good egg in most people's eyes.

I wish the same for Deeney.

 

We've already sacked him and he's off to L*ton

 

Fair, but they are often the exact opposite though (I remember Pep being bizarrely complimentary of Claudio Bravo's disasterclass in the Manchester derby one year when I'm sure behind closed doors he wasn't so happy with his performance!), it seems Deeney has been slagging everyone off non-stop. Regardless of whether you're a manager at the start of your career or the end, it's not going to end well

 

Fundamentally, it was an unprofessional and counterproductive outburst, designed purely to shield Troy Deeney TM from rightful questions and/or criticism over his seeming utter failure to inspire any kind of improvement in the team he had been given to coach.

Just like when he made an achingly obvious come and get me plea pitchside to the Sky cameras seconds after our relegation had been meekly confirmed, or when he got drunk on a podcast with a bunch of guys he was desperate to impress and ran his mouth for an hour and a half making bold and factually inaccurate claims in an attempt to look like the big man. He's obsessed with positioning himself as the big I am, and how people see him/his rep.

In reality, however, it makes him look small and naive, like an aggro teen in a Young Adult drama who can't stop punching people. There's a reason why people in positions of authority generally hold themselves to some level of decorum, and it's not just some fusty old tradition that you can 'disrupt' by saying whatever the fucck you like whenever the fucck you feel like doing so. Not when the buck stops with you.

Perhaps it's a lesson he will learn, this time round. Perhaps not.

 

It was horrifically telling that he was sat on a sofa in Isleworth at 11:30am Sunday to be a pundit on our game against QPR, after his big gobby comments less than 24hrs previous on the touch line in Gloucestershire. Not an easy journey into London at the best of times - but certainly not one you should be doing when you should be beasting your squad on the training pitch to back up your words.

But nah, say something for the cameras and then forget you did it and expect ‘Cult of Troy’ gets you through. And pick up the fee from Sky for passing Go.

I hate the fact this guy gave us so many good memories - because he’s a complete prat.

 

I also suspect he said something particularly mental to get banned for 4 games as a first offence as a manager.

 

Generally speaking we don't define bad people by what they did right, but by what they did wrong.

If someone's a prat, my feeling is that they don't get a pass because they did some good things too. It's a shame he tarnished his own legacy but, for me, he's not a Watford legend. He's just a player who was here a long time and accomplished a fair amount while here.

And that's his own fault.

 

Players who aren’t legends don’t have four threads going on about him at the same time. Some people even repeat posting in both.

Online Watford fans never forgave him for the whole ‘stop thinking like we’re little Watford’ thing. Our fanbase hated players like Holebas too. Allergic to winners.

 

Agreed. But he’s still a prat. Same as John Barnes courting Liverpool over us. Prat behaviour.

 

Oh he has his moments. Certainly since his retirement. But to discredit what he achieved at this club and the fact that all these ‘wonderful Pozzo memories’ they love to refer to simply wouldn’t have happened without him is laughable.

 

You’re overthinking it, every Watford fan to a man and woman loved him, then he turned into a humongous prat, there isn’t much more to it than that.

 

They really didn’t. Certainly after we got promoted. There was always a subsection that had a problem with him and it only got worse as he got older and less good.

And now we see comments about ‘tarnishing legacies’ and all this. Because he might be a rubbish manager, is crap at Mastermind and does silly interviews. Comical.

 

Equally most people loved him and now think he’s a prat, because he is, by the measure of about 99% of what most normal human beings believe a prat is, and how they act and behave. Not sure why you’re hung up on a tiny minority that never liked him, it doesn’t make him any less of a prat right now.

 

None of which changes the fact that he’s a Watford legend and that the majority of this forum follow his every move like the Daily Mail following the royals. I feel it’s fair to point and laugh at that.

 

Yes and in my opinion he’s a Watford legend, but he’s also a massive throbber as a person. The two aren’t mutually exclusive and I don’t know why you seem to want them to be, or think they somehow have to be. Scoring the best goal in our history doesn’t mean you can’t simultaneously acknowledge he’s also an utter idiot.

 

Holebas was my favourite player of our PL era after Capoue, while Deeney annoyed me. That doesn't tally at all.

Holebas tended to battle the opposition, not berate his team-mates, and was generally professional and dedicated, not overweight and petulant.

 

I still miss Holebas.

 

Britos left sided CB and Holebas at LB must have been horrendous to play against !

 

Forest Green obviously wanted a new figure at the elm.

 

No great surprise really. He quickly showed that, for managing at League 2 level, he didn’t have what it teaks.

 

Nobody is perfect. We learn from life when we make mistakes.

I like Troy Deeney. I liked what he did for the team, responsible for one of the club's all-time moments.

I think generally he has a good heart and wants to do the right thing. I don't think he's a bad person - just clumsy and unthinking at times. As we've heard in considerable detail, he had a hard and tough upbringing. It's a shame British city society is that way, but it is sure to leave an indelible mark on the character. If he'd been raised in Virginia Water, he would be a different person.

After that, he's fallen into immense riches and public recognition. People singing his name and idolising him. People wanting to hear what he's got to say for the first time ever. That's some shock psychologically.

Now he's retired from playing and has time on his hands. I'm not convinced he will ever make an effective manager, although maybe an assistant or coach. Perhaps his form of ermm.. encouragement towards the players may have its place. But I think more likely is a media career. He comes across well on screen and is knowledgeable about football. He just needs to control his tongue a little bit - there have been plenty in the past who have said something awful on air and then had to move to Dubai..

I hope he can have success in the media. I don't understand any Watford fan wishing him ill. That's surprising to read. I hope also that he will grow out of that foolish gangsta culture he seems to want to follow in terms of speech, mannerisms and dress.

I said I thought he'd fail at FGR because of a lack of maturity and so it proved. His emotions got the better of him he says. A lack of self control and discipline. He's still a little boy really.

 

Strange isn't it. I couldn't stick Holebas, right from when he came. Miserable, sour-puss, pencil moustached trouble maker who didn't even want to come to Watford. Some good moments over a couple of seasons, but also some awful ones too. Ones that cost us.

As opposed to a centre forward who spent more or less his whole career leading our attack, regularly finishing as leading goalscorer, who did plenty in the community (in his style) and who scored THE goal of probably our whole life watching this team?

I think most agree he stayed a season too long, but even overweight and with questionable fitness, I don't think anyone ever queried his commitment and effort.

 

Decent enough summary but I don’t think age comes into it, he’s 35, and given his early life experiences that’s plenty old enough to know a lot better when it comes to most of the things he says and does.

35 is certainly young for a manager, but not for a person, it’s more or less middle aged.

 

This shows why Deeney will never be a regular on MOTD - he speaks his mind, unlike that personality vacuum Jenas.

 

The irony of Deeney having joked about us changing managers so quickly...

A great goal scorer. A dominant player in the Championship. An effective leader in the right circumstances. But it was only going to end this way - and is actually probably in his best interests, as he is much better suited to shouty sports TV/Youtube stuff than being a manager, I suspect.

 

I don't think anyone wishes him ill or forgets the great times he shared with us.
Many just wish he would do himself a favour and stop behaving like a d1ck, especially as, selfishly, it makes us wonder whether he was actually a d1ck the whole time we adored him.

 

Poetic justice for all the coaches that he helped remove?
What goes around...

 

Now that he's been pushed into management, and utterly failed his first assignment, will he want to go back to the relative mundanity of being a coach or assistant manager? Some sort of media job, either social or legacy, seems his 'calling'

 

Well all do buddy, we all do

 

It absolutely used to work and players used to react positively to it, but those days are gone. Modern day players can't be spoken to like or they crumble. Deeney is 20 years out of date and doesn't have the stature.

 

Even then it’s normally “They’re not offering what I want them to” rather than “His touch is ****, he keeps shinning it, he wouldn’t get a game in non-league”

 

How about manager of the local McDonalds!

 

Jermaine Sinclair I’m sure would be happy to show him the ropes