VAR decisions

I don't see how that was a "clear and obvious error". Some would give red, some would give yellow. In this instance he gave a yellow due to the positioning of Cathcart and I think that was fair.

That said, Kabasele and Bournemouth do not mix so it could be for the best.

 

He'll miss Tranmere, I think.

 

I felt it was a red and was slightly surprised Madley went for yellow. Once he had though I’m a little surprised VAR found enough basis to overturn it. Jota was a fair way from goal and went down (like he’d been shot, the absolute buffoon) before he’d made his next move. His next touch could easily have taken him away from goal or brought Cathcart into play.

 

I don't see why VAR should get involved around 'goal scoring opportunities'. Surely the onfield ref. is quite capable of judging that for himself without further assistance. It's just a matter of opinion.

 

Feel the same. Texted my mates at the game while they were reviewing it and told them it can't be a red card. Doh!

 

Technical question. Can a red card be appealed when it has been awarded by VAR rather than the ref? I would argue that the Wolves player today might have scored when he was fouled but not that it was a clear goal scoring opportunity.

 

Yeah, Son has his red card overturned after the tackle which broke Gomes’ ankle at Goodson. On field ref gave a yellow, VAR upgraded it to red. Spurs won the appeal.

 

They should pay more attention to the shocking dive, barely any contact at all. It’s a contact sport after all and the way he went down was an embarrassment. Surely VAR can see that the contact was in no way related to the way the player fell? A yellow at most, never a red and the fact that VAR gave it shows how useless the English referees really are. Absolute clowns

 

Another round of game more VAR madness, it's ruining the sport

Get rid of it

 

Lots of emotion around that one though re. the Gomez injury. If the Kabasele red was rescinded that would be ridiculous. Ref. gives correct decision. VAR overturns it. Appeal board agrees with ref. An absolutely daft sequence of events if it were it to occur.

B.t.w. The Son tackle didn't break Gomez' ankle. Son hardly touched him (if at all) which was presumably the reason for the overturn. He broke it by turning it over on the turf immediately afterwards and then clattering into Aurier.

 

No. Modify its influence.

 

The most frustrating thing is that it should be a force for good. It's being used with utter, blanket incompetence. It's almost as though it's a deliberate internal sabotage attempt. In principle, the ability to review and overturn referees mistakes should be clearly beneficial to the game. The people operating the current system and the way it's being implemented is a disgrace.

 

I still think those operating VAR are trying to justify its existence by giving so many borderline decisions instead of using it for clear and obvious errors.

 

Quite possibly.

 

Now the opposite situation to the one everyone was debating from the weekend has happened.

Palace cross converted with a tap in inside the 6yd box by Connor Wickham. Lino says offside. Looks pretty accurate but close by first view of footage. VAR review. Lines drawn. Wickham onside because the defender’s trailing foot is playing him on by a few centimetres. Decision overturned and goal awarded.

So is the consensus that should be given? Or not given? Or the original on field decision should be stuck without need for VAR? VAR has resulted in a goal we would not otherwise have had, so presumably people are happy with that?

 

Yes. But it's one v ???

 

I can't help thinking that the red card was Stockley Park's way of appeasing Wolves after having lost out to a VAR decision against Liverpool. There was no way that giving a yellow card was a clear and obvious error, it was a decision based on an opinion.

 

I see the VAR today was fatty Hooper too. Fresh off the back of refereeing our last match. Although I think PL referees generally act with integrity, that doesn’t sit too well with me. Must be difficult to switch off any feelings from the Villa match, especially only 4 days ago. What if today’s very subjective sending off comes down to (the very unlikely given he’s so genial) Kaba having had words with Hooper?

 

Hapless twits these officials.
No other sport has had such difficulties with technology.
Mike Riley is a silly little man,no wonder it's such a mess.
Hopeless.

 

Surely if ever there was a situation where the VAR team needs to advise the referee to review the incident again on the pitch-side monitor - this is it!

He can then review the challenge itself, the exact location and the position of other players and confirm or modify his original decision.

I read somewhere that the pitch-side monitors have been used on a ridiculously small number of times this season - I think fans are owed some clear explanation as to why the PL and the PGMOL have decided on a particularly bizarre way of operating VAR compared to other leagues and competitions.

 

Zero isn’t it?

 

Funny that. The fans of the team that had a VAR decision go against them criticise its use for that decision.

 

There won't be much coverage or discussion about this but absolutely. It'll be lost under the mire of correctly given disallowed goals over the last week.

 

Whether it was correct to send off Kabasele is not the debate. It's whether a VAR official should overrule the on-field referee on a subjective decision.

Quite clearly the answer is no. Madley saw the entire move unfold. He saw the challenge, he saw it as a foul and he judged it as a yellow card. Then Hooper on VAR looks at it but has a different opinion and tells him to change his mind. This is just ridiculous. It's not on a point of fact and the referee did not miss anything. The yellow card was overturned because another referee had a different opinion. It wasn't a clear and obvious mistake. Cathcart was a covering defender and this is how Madley saw it. Why would Hooper overturn this? What right has he got to overturn it?

If Madley had any doubt at all he should review the monitor, but NEVER should he take the opinion of another referee over his own.

 

Southampton should have had a penalty Tottenham fans in Stockley Park strike again.
If it was Watford that would 100% have been given.

 

To be fair a lot of them don't agree with a the Kabasele red card being overruled with VAR.

Pretty sure they were chanting the F VAR song when he got sent off.

 

Yep. This kind of links to my last post. Different people think different things of it (even those with a vested interest)- it was not clearly and obviously wrong.

 

The issue it raises, if the club appeal the red, is that the burden of proof has shifted the other way. The panel will have to conclude that the red was "clearly wrong" now. Unlikely imo but hopefully I'm wrong.

I think it is a marginal decision either way. Neither a yellow or red are "clearly wrong". Such decisions should be left to the referee and appeals process not VAR.

 

There's absolutely no point in appealing this red card, even if I think we have strong grounds in doing so.

The reason being, if we appeal, the review board would have to overturn a VAR decision, which will further damage it's already battered reputation. You know how they work, they all look after themselves, and would never voluntarily damage the VAR reputation as it will be recorded and used to batter them with further down the line......IMO.

I hope it's just a one match ban.

 

They did overturn the Son red that was a VAR decision.

Having said that, I don't think they'll overturn Kab's one, it's too marginal imo. I suspect the club will appeal though.

 

That's true, but it's Son and Spurs.....all high profile stuff. When it's Watford and Kabasele…..it's a case of "who gives a s***"

 

Not a chance it gets overturned. Firstly, to overturn it would show that VAR only had a negative influence on a perfectly good decision and they won't want that. Secondly, whilst I don't think it is a red, I've seen plenty who do so there is enough justification to maintain the decision.

The Son red card being overturned was because it was 100% wrong and should have been a yellow.

 

Love these pictures from the Wolves website.

A clear sending off, Cabs obviously shot him by the look of pain on his face.

 

How was this not a penalty, you can clearly see the wolves player is searching for a touch with his straight trailing leg, why did we not give him a leg to fall over!