Valerien Ismael - Manager

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Cthulhu, May 10, 2023.

  1. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

  2. ProfessorAbdi

    ProfessorAbdi First Year Pro

    Surely due another contract extension?
     
  3. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    It honestly boggles my mind that this is who we’re putting the house on. Turgid, boring, sleep inducing football on a weekly basis and we’re giving him the master key to do whatever he wants.

    Ridiculous.
     
  4. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

  5. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

  6. ProfessorAbdi

    ProfessorAbdi First Year Pro

    It doesn't matter who the head coach is, the squad is incredibly limited. That's why I don't really care if Ismael gets the boot or not, the head coach doesn't matter at this club.

    Ben Manga was meant to signal change and then we found out he was given absolutely no responsibility and Pozzo finally got rid. Are we meant to believe that Ismael now has a big say in how things are done behind the scenes? Pozzo will get bored of him soon and the next bloke will be through the door.
     
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  7. Doc0075

    Doc0075 Academy Graduate

    Reminds me of the days when we were relying on the likes of Steve Butler, Peter Beadle and Lee Nogan to score our goals.
     
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  8. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    Lee Nogan was far better than the current options
     
  9. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    The most disappointing thing from him today was that he didn't really make us any more attacking with his subs - he just kept us like for like despite the fact that Huddersfield never really caused us any threat and it's a game that was there for us to win.

    Taking off Lewis for Martins and having Sema at right back would have been one idea. Ditching Livermore or even Chak when he went off for another forward would have been another. Instead we rather seemed content to only half play for the win, while remaining a bit too cautious.
     
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  10. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    *at left back
     
  11. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    The one thing in Val's favour is that his Barnsley side had almost identical stats at the same point in 2020/21.

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    They also reached the play-offs without a decent striker (their top scorer Cauley Woodrow, who has never been prolific except during a loan spell at Barnsley in League 1, only scored 12 goals).

    But it may well be this season will instead turn out like 2008/09, the last season that was our second after being relegated from the Prem, where like this one we started off promisingly before soon realizing we weren't going to challenge - and we still haven't lost five in a row, gulp...
     
  12. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    True .

    Not sure a Eustace or anyone would suddenly turn them into productive goal machines with the ability to move quickly and hold up play.

    Might be wrong but don’t think Birmingham played attacking football under him particularly which is why the owners got rid .

    Maybe we can get more crosses in and try a few more shots but the modern game seems so possession bases now I think most managers set up the same way regardless of squad ability .
     
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  13. WatfordÉire

    WatfordÉire Squad Player

    How many times is that now, where players discipline (or lack of) has directly affecting VI's starting eleven or squad choices this season?

    I admire him sticking to his principles and trying to instill some sort of discipline and accountability amongst the squad, but ultimately it affects him playing the team he wants, therefore potentially affecting results and in turn putting more pressure on himself!
     
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  14. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    How can someone be late for a meeting basically in the same room/area of the training ground ?

    Seems strange that one .

    https://twitter.com/vinyl_music1/status/1720958553970692404/photo/1
     
  15. ProfessorAbdi

    ProfessorAbdi First Year Pro

    After the international break we could easy lose all of the seven games we have before Christmas, the easiest game is looking like Norwich but they’ll have a new manager by then. If we don’t beat Rotherham then I wonder if Pozzo will start the carousel again during the international break.
     
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  16. hjw

    hjw Reservist

    You may be right, but we could win most of them also! Leicester will be too good no matter how we play (baring a miracle), but the rest of them, they are beatable. i'm looking forward to these games, at least the opposition wont have 11 men behind the ball like yesterday and (most likely) next Saturday!
     
  17. hartvix

    hartvix Reservist

    The guy is absolutely clueless. How could you not anticipate Huddersfield - with 11 players unavailable and coming off 0-4 and 1-4 defeats - to sit back and wait. DW spelled out our strategy in the WO before the game ffs:

    Well, what if they don't come out? Surely, there's a contingency plan for that? Surely, you don't have to see it happen for 90+ minutes in a 0-0 draw before you go "hmm, we need a plan for this, let's analyse the game". Surely, at half time, you go - okay, they aren't threatening us, we have the ball, now we need to mix it up and create chances. Surely, you look at the bench and see our most creative player (Louza, 3 assists) and our most direct winger (Martins, 6 shots on target) and think "right, let's throw the dice here - ask some questions to the opponent". Surely, you tell the players it's fine to keep possession, but after two or three sideways and backwards passes it's better to just play it forward into some potentially dangerous area, even if there isn't any obvious space or hole in their defensive lines.

    I think the most bizarre stats for us at half time were these:
    Possession: 70%
    Attempted dribbles: 0
    Attempted crosses: 0

    So, for 45 minutes we had the ball more than two thirds of the time and not a single time did any Watford player even attempt to take on a man or put a cross into the box. Not once. How can you watch that and think "right, we're in control, let's just continue like this"?

    Ismael always seems to be one or two steps behind. Against Leeds, Boro and Sunderland we were set up to try and dominate the games. After we got thumped, he's set us up to be more solid, which was fine against Cardiff to stop the rot. But now we're still playing the same way against the likes of Huddersfield and he seems puzzled as to why it's no longer working. Guess what, different games and different opponents require different strategies!

    He also suddenly went away from the triple sub strategy at 60 minutes. Why? In this game, it would have made perfect sense. Inject some energy. Ask some new questions. Let the opponent worry about a new set of players with different skills. But no, since it didn't work last time - and he got criticised for it - he didn't do it. It's like he's not even watching the game in front of him.

    I really wonder how we're going to set up against Leicester after a fortnight of analysing why we're not creating chances... I wouldn't be surprised if we're going to line up with our most creative players in an expansive shape and get thumped 0-5.
     
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  18. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    All the tactical aptitude of a first year cadet at military school VI.
     
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  19. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Not sure that would be the best time to appoint a new manager before that run of games !
     
  20. ProfessorAbdi

    ProfessorAbdi First Year Pro

    You're forgetting the (mythical) new manager bounce!
     
  21. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Yes I’d like to see a new manager bounce when it can help get some points on the board rather than just reducing goal difference damage for a few games before petering out.
     
  22. Malteser2

    Malteser2 Reservist

    It’s not only December that looks very tough on paper. With the reversal in venues of the QPR fixtures, I think we face a nasty run of mostly away games in January?
     
  23. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    All 4 league fixtures are away. And we could make it 5 away on the trot if the FA Cup 3rd Round gods intervene. That'd be unprecedented surely?
     
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  24. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Definitely need to win Saturday to give a nice cushion for the duds at the bottom to slowly munch away at over a 2 month period.
     
  25. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    One of those duds in the bottom three will get their act together so might need it...
     
  26. Dorset-Orn

    Dorset-Orn First Year Pro

    VI is starting to grow on me.
    In the early games I liked what he said but the team didn't seem right and I had my doubts.
    However looking back - he's done what he said he'd do, and has made changes gradually giving a lot of players their chance. We're improving and starting to look like a team.
     
  27. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Rotherham will be hoping they get more of a New Manager Bounce™️ than QPR (OK, they haven't lost under Cifuentes, which is an improvement from losing their last 6, but they haven't won yet including a game against Rotherham themselves), and Wednesday, who have looked a bit better, but have still lost 4 in 5 including 2 batterings off mediocre teams
     
  28. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    5 goals and 4 assists from the bench in the last 6 games - that is a brilliant return and not to be sniffed at.
     
  29. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Nice to see we have finally found our 'fox in the box'. Just needs to be fed a decent cross and he will pounce.
     
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  30. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    It’s decent. Watered down a bit though in the modern game where managers can make so many subs I’d say.
     
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  31. CaveManHornet

    CaveManHornet Reservist

    One could argue that it actually makes things harder for strikers, as managers can bring on fresh legs in defence.
     
  32. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    We should sign more benches, surprisingly effective
     
  33. Hornets81

    Hornets81 Academy Graduate

    Don't give Mogi/Gino any ideas...
     
  34. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

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  35. Hornets81

    Hornets81 Academy Graduate

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