If anything is worth discussing then surely it's the club captain who contributes very little to the team but will be receiving over £5m from the club from now until the end of his contract.
Yes for last season but as I started, there are lies, etc. You can make anything fit the stats if you want. Rather than repeat my arguments in my now numerous posts lets just agree to disagree. As I said I am most likely in a minority of 1 anyway. Deeney is far from perfect and he will admit it. I don't agree with all your assertions about Deeney but to repeat everything again would be going round in circles. However you are making the case for Deeney not starting every game and I am trying to argue that Deeney is a useful option next season. If he can get fit and back to his previous injury free seasons as he says he will then I would keep him in the squad and let him prove to Munoz that he deserves to be the starting number 9.
That is a decision which is in the control of our owners but if you were a good negotiator would you turn down the opportunity of a £5m contract regardless of your abilities or would you say "no thanks, I am really not worth it and you don't have to pay me because I do the job for the love of the club"? I think you are confusing your passion for Watford over what the players are which is merely employees for a relatively short career span.
Odd post, the thread is about Troy, which you’ve commented on yourself multiple times, and for everyone of me and SLB there is obviously a you or a Simmos just saying the complete opposite? We’re hardly just talking to ourselves are we?
Article on the Wobby site about Troy wanting Young to join in. These two paragraphs stuck out like a sore thumb; "And I think the way the back end of the season has developed, it's been a real group effort. From players like myself, not playing, cheerleading on the side, to lads coming in and out, to lads who started. "It's been a real team effort and I think that's going to be huge next season and we can't afford egos and we can't afford to cater to the egos, because as you know, the Premier League will tear you up.“ Quite right Troy, quite right.
Deeney’s column in The Sun for tomorrow https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...ampaign=sunfootballtwitter&utm_source=Twitter It’s like a compilation of his greatest hits
I genuinely hope he does smash pre-season but I fear the next injury is just around the corner. If he doesn't get a full pre-season then we've all seen how it affects him. Even with a full pre-season I don't see a place for him but if he's going to be staying then a 100% fit Troy is better than an 80% Troy at least.
He clearly thinks he can still do it in his own head and I really hope he is right, however I am not so sure that he can. Therefore if he is still around next season and manages to get in the starting eleven I hope he proves me wrong. Having said that if he is not performing up to scratch I hope that he has the grace to realise that he no longer has what it takes and accepts that his time is up as a first team player at WFC, and either become a bit part player from the bench or even move on to another club where he might still be good enough to get in the first eleven.
Love this bit in particular: Normally I have a summer blow-out, then go through hell in pre-season to get myself back into shape. So he admits to what we’ve all seen with our own eyes and suspected season in season out, that he starts every season overweight and way off the pace. But it’s ok everyone, at 33 years of age he’s finally going to take it seriously.
That is a depressing read, he's going nowhere and is going to expect to be starting every game next season. Our season will depend on whether or not Xisco will stand up to him. I don't think he will so we'll end up reverting to long ball, probably in a 4-4-2. We'll be awful to watch and we'll be relegated. Deeney will score five goals, with four of them being penalties and he'll claim that he never really recovered from injury but played anyway. He'll also provide numerous snippets of motivation for opposition players by slagging them off in his media work. Also... 'I'm not slow...' - I don't think I've seen anyone slower on football pitch other than Akinfenwa in the last few years. Even Glenn Murray looked faster!
Yeah, I mean I don’t know what he normally writes about in the Sun as I’ve never read it before, but I’m assuming it’s not always just an article about himself, but rather about football in general? But either way this is now one of many recent articles all saying the same thing. If he’s repeatedly using the National press to tell everyone he should be playing next season, then people should be under absolutely no illusions he’ll be telling Xisco the same thing.
Who was the 'footballer' who used to tell, a version of this, this anecdote about himself (Tommy Docherty?):
So frustrating. Using his column to get his starting place. This better not prevent the club buying a new CF.
The only comforting thing about that car crash of a cliché generator is that he didn't write it himself, so there will undoubtedly have been a certain amount of editorial Troy-ising to make it more bombastic and sensationalised. The 'I'm not slow' thing doesn't really scan like something Deeney would have mused out loud directly to the journo/recording device/Zoom chat responsible, and would mean he is up there with repressive dictators on the self-awareness scale, so I'm mildly dubious.
Yep. "I'm an unprofessional moron who doesn't respect my career and the club enough to stay in shape, but now that we're back in the Premier League and I really want all the attention back on me I'm going to try really hard, promise!". He is such a deluded, egotistical toss pot.
I liked it when he barged that defender in the back and the ref gave us a free kick for handball. Bullied, he'll know he was in a game!
It's never good if a hero becomes a parody of his former self. Sad really. I do hope this was a farewell appearance,perhaps why SEJ was at the game? I'm clutching at straws aren't I?!
It was only relatively recently he admitted he's now realised he has to look after his body if he wants to be a professional athlete. It's staggering it took him until he was in his 30's to realise booze, a bad diet and partying isn't ideal if you want to perform at your best.
If Deeney starts the first game of next season in a 4-4-2 he has won the battle and we are relegated from the first kick off.
Then we are left with no alternative. We must kidnap him and lock him in the nearest fast food outlet. What jury in the land would convict us?
Joking aside it if horrifying. After playing no real part in getting us promoted the man expects to be the main man again in the premier league. Hopefully Munoz will be strong enough but given the utterly ******ous Duxburry tweet after the Ivic/Deeney incident I can see how it might be hard for him.
If Deeney and Gray come trudging out first match of the season and Isaac is the cavalry on the bench waiting to come on to retrieve a 0-2 scoreline then that is the holy grail of disaster .
I don’t wish Ivic was still manager but I certainly would prefer we didn’t have a completely ineffectual player dictate when a manager gets sacked and then get the public backing of the CEO.
It's like any footballer of any level. I go on the pitch now for a little knock about and my head knows exactly what to do, the problem is my body disagrees because they're not in conjuction with each other. It annoys me let alone a professional. Troy is stubborn enough to believe he can still do it but unfortunately witnessing the last two or three seasons he can't and has dropped off remarkably. There is not one fan who wouldn't thank him for what he's done, but if we want to develop as a club in the Premier then Troy cannot even be a squad player imo.
