The Official United States of America Presidential Race Thread

McCain did the same thing, just didnt get as much coverage. A vote for McCain is a vote for more of the same in my eyes.

 

Presidential race thread?

Obama is black, McCain is white.

 

Sarah Palin's 17 yo unmarried daughter is pregnant. How will that play in Peoria?

 

Hasn't she got five daughters as well? This was a very very very bad decision.

 

She has 5 children but not all girls.

This news has been released to scotch rumours that the baby she gave birth to in April was really her daughter's and Palin pretended to be pregnant Desperate Housewives style. It's got so much more entertaining already. Great decision.

 

http://www.236.com/news/2008/08/29/inappropriate_hottie_rundown_t_2_8586.php

 

When bush was running for the republican leadership he beat McCain along the way. Its seems that McCain is not the ideal leader for the republicans, but i guess its up to what the public what, and I'm sure thats the republicans.

 

Good find!

 

This teen preggers thing will hurt McCain. What kind of morals does it show to know the VP's 17 YO daughter has been enjoying the salami for months?

I'm not so sure we do. There are a lot more Democrats than Republicans, but Democrats vote less often than Republicans. 4 years ago, for some reason, only god knows why, Bush convinced Dem's not only to vote, but to vote for HIM. That's a 1-2 punch combo that really hurt Kerry. I suspect now the crossover Dems feel humiliated by the poor judgement they showed and the non voters feel humiliated they let that happen.

Obama has the edge and the bun in the oven doesn't help McCain.

It will be VERY interesting to see how this all shakes out from here on.

 

i get paid to find things like this, almost

 

Is she really a Creationist too? I realise she was brought in to bolster McCain's conservative credentials but it would be like voting for the Taliban.

 

There's no Lib Dem equivalent is there? No chance of winning but you can proudly say that you took part in democracy but didn't dirty your hands with either of these two.

 

There are Lib Dem equivilents. Technically there are 4 other people aside from the two main candidates who are on the ballot in enough states to potentially win the election. The main one is Raplh Nader, the guy who anicdotally delivered Florida (and the Presidency) to Bush in 2000.

 

Sarah found out four months into her pregnancy that baby Trig would be born with Down's Syndrome, but she publicly declared that because she's pro-life, she has no choice but to carry the lifelong burden to term (we're paraphrasing). The baby was named after the math class he'll never take in high school

 

This Palin story is so awesome, I cannot even believe it.

Disclosures on Palin Raise Questions on VP Selection Process


Yummy yummy history being made.
Gimme more
Gimme Gimme Gimme

 

Fitzy, can you explain why there is such a hoo-ha about this teenage pregnancy? I mean there must be thousands of girls across the US getting pregnant in their teens. I don't know, I just don't see it as such a big deal as that article suggests. Why would having a pregnant daughter still in her teens be a disqualifying point for a VP?

 

I saw one of the runners-up for the demcratics VP pos. interviewed by Jon Stewart and he described the screening process he went through. Ex-girlfriends names (one of whom claimed they hadn't been boyfriend/girlfriend ).

If A) the republicans can't find these things out in a screening process and B) Palin has kept these things quiet to get the pos. they are incompetent and she's a glory-monging ***** biatch

Either way, how can McCain win this? I bet he will in the end but how I won't understand.

 

While Fitz is asleep I'll attempt to clarify. When you are standing on a conservative right wing Christian platform including good old 'family values' and you advocate the teaching of abstinence rather than sex education in schools, you look a bit silly when it doesn't work in your own family.

 

There not as laid back about that kinda thing as we are over here. Dunno if thats a bad thing or not.

 

I understand that it makes all concerned look a bit silly, but why is it a disqualifying point?

Surely she was chosen for the extra things she brings to McCain's campaign even in spite of this revelation?

 

Extra things like being investigated by an ethics committee?

 

I don't look at Obama and see a black man so I find it amazing that it's a question at all. However the answer is probably 'no'.

Mary Dejevsky in The Independent said:

" Well, I'm sorry to spoil the party in
Denver, but I don't believe them. Right in the middle of the white middle class, an assumed superiority runs so
deep it hardly needs to be articulated. Its silent invisibility is what makes it so dangerous to Mr Obama's
presidential prospects. As with French supporters of the far-right National Front, Americans have learnt to keep
their deepest prejudices to themselves. And the pollsters, however sophisticated their techniques, may never gauge
the half of it."

 

and by rearticulating it you entrench it further. its all very well to say its a shame there is a black/white divide but by making that statement there is the inherrent assumption that such claims to identity have some sort of intrinsic logic. post-modernism all the way! don't ask me to define anything and don't ask me to say that these things will always stay the same

 

I dont think its sad at all. he is using it to his advantage. america wants change and so does rest of the world want a change from bush and what bigger change could you have then a women or a black man running american for the first time.

 

I don't think that's fair. If it were our election that might be the case but we are only observing what is happening not creating it. Anyway it's the same with the gender issue.

 

fitz, what is a nancy pelosi and what does it do? also, is there a concious effort in the states to have a different party in charge of each house? i did some wikipediaing on this subject but the importance of the representatives and speaker eludes me

 

There wouldn't be nearly as much of a fuss about him if he wasn't black. I'm sure there are hundreds of politicians who can stand on a stage and be convincing in their declaration of impending change, but his race has singled him out, as has hig relatively low age. So, in my uneducated opinion, the two factors that would be expected to be his downfall, may be his biggest assets.

 

Waiting for Perot! Oh if only it were 1992 again...........

 

why not if its a postive thing.

 

I think we can all agree that having a woman in a position of power would be an unmitigated disaster.

 

i had wrote a long thing here but its basically a regurgitation of all my essays on identity. i can summise it as of course its the same with the gender issue, and yet there is no gender issue in the same way there is no race issue. in as far as that there is no universal experience of being a woman or a black man. also, you don't need to create something to be part of it

 

intersectionality was the word i was looking for. to paraphrase audre lourde, "when you see barack obama do you see a black man, or a man who is black?"

 

You get nowhere by intellectualising it because most voters are dumb.

 

indeed. i see a chance to use all of the now useless theories i studied in my feminism classess.

 

when I see Obama I see a human talking - most of the time - and a human not talking when he isn't, but mostly at the moment he's a human talking.