Russell Brand - In Plain Sight?

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by Ghost of Barry Endean, Sep 18, 2023.

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  2. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Much like all the other cases, it's just rumors for now and allegations until guilt is found. Personally I quite like Brand as a character and it would be very disapointing to find out if these allegations were true. I know he has a strange persona but that (I assumed) was all part of his comedy act.
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  3. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

    Yes but without the rumours, allegations and extensive investigative journalism would Savile’s (no guilt proven there in a court either) actions have come to light? What about Barry Bennell?
  4. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    His whole act back then was being a rapey womaniser. Most women lapped it up and inevitably be felt untouchable as so many women were throwing themselves at him, including supermodels and popstars.

    No doubt his ego was so massive he couldn't comprehend rejection, and so when he was rejected he acted in this inappropriate manner.

    Clearly he went too far with these accusing women, and no doubt many others.

    GUILTY as charged for this sleuth.

    But none of this is a surprise to anyone.
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  5. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Absolutely they do matter in the eventual prosecution of an offender, and Saville, Harris and all the rest would of never been exposed without it. All I was suggesting is people are innocent until proven guilty, and the media in general can really tarnish a person the wrong way especially if it does turn out they have done no wrong. I am always very skeptic of such stories until there is solid proof presented. I do not know what Brand has done in his past and nor would I want to, but if it does turn out to be true - then of course the media and publicity have again proven to be useful.
  6. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    He should have been dumped after the Andrew Sachs daughter phone call. No one can say that wasn’t fair warning of an inappropriate attitude.

    His whole act/persona is bizarre and his popularity has always baffled me.
  7. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    It's hardly a shocker that a bloke who has always come across like an utter bell3nd turns out to be exactly that. I've no idea if he's crossed the line into criminality, that's for the authorities to figure out, but he's quite clearly a wrongun and it's amazing it's taken this long for it to catch up with him.
  8. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    I'm amazed that people are quite happy to go to his shows in the mean time. I don't get his popularity or his apparent standing within some circles. He's not even a pseudo-intellectual much as he tries to be coming out with all sorts of waffle and trying to be with the in crowd all the time.

    Sure let's wait for the evidence which does not look good for him but those interviewed after his show really showed a clear lack of grey matter. He's a saint. How dare they accuse him. Victim of the establishment. They've already made their minds up. Not on the evidence but because they have some weird fixation for him.
  9. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    I'm not sure if Brand being a sexual predator would be the least surprising news ever, but if not it'd be damn close. He was skirting the line in plain sight for years, so it would hardly be a shocker to find out he crossed it.
  10. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

    I was more shocked to discover he’s a comedian
  11. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    From Tory bashing, attempting to help Labour win a general election and calling Farage names on live TV to becoming a Trump loving, anti-vaxxer, Putin backing conspiracy theorist in less than a decade.

    Life comes at you fast when you have skeletons rattling around in the closet.
  12. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    Wow. I always wondered who actually found Brand appealing because literally everyone I know - male and female - has always found him odious and finally I have found someone. I find it really surprising that it is a woman. What do you find likeable about Brand? I am interested to hear how a woman finds a man likeable who has treated women with the utter disrespect that he has throughout his career? How is calling someone to mock them and laugh about the fact that they “****ed” their granddaughter likeable?
    And how is what was disclosed in Dispatches merely “rumours”? A rumour is “a report of uncertain or doubtful truth”. Is this your view of the women who came forward on Dispatches? Because, to me, they were allegations made by a number of women who seemed to have some pretty damning evidence to back them up. No wonder women are reluctant to come forward and report these things when their accounts are simply dismissed as “rumours”.
    No - rumours are what I’ve heard about another comedian who’s a household name, but we shall see if anything more concrete comes to light there.
    As for Brand. Well, the fact that his defenders include Andrew Tate, Elon Musk and “journalists” (and, yes, the quotation marks are necessary) from GB News speaks for itself…
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  13. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    This was exactly Mr HH’s reaction to the news - although he may have used slightly more colourful language in his description of Brand! In my daughters’ generation, a man liking Andrew Tate would be considered a walking red flag. I think the equivalent in my younger days would have been a man who found Russell Brand amusing.
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  14. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    Completely agree - and how did Jonathan Ross come back from that?
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  15. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Fair comments. I will say that I liked Brand's comedy at times, it's surreal. Then again I also quite like Jimmy Carr who a lot of people also detest. But everyone to their own I guess. What I do not agree with or really look to deep into is their personal lives. Also, today was the first time any of this had come to my attention and what I stated was obviously before all this came out (true or not) and it has painted him in a tarnished light of course. I never support anyone who treats another person badly be it male or female and this has certainly made me re-assess what I used to like about him. I cannot take back what I stated because it is the honest truth, I did find him funny at times. I largely ignore the media and news most days but that doesn't excuse my utter ignorance to what he has done in the past. To be honest even further, the more I type this the angrier I get over it all. I know it's a person I will never meet (nor do I want to ever) but it really makes me question my own morale in how I actually found a person like him amusing to begin with.

    I need a cold shower.
  16. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Purely from a journalistic point of view, this has been the result of an investigation that has lasted years. Journalists from Dispatches and The Sunday Times have done their due diligence on very serious allegations. They will not have published lightly. Getting it wrong would be catastrophic.

    The libel laws in this country mean that any outlet making a mistake would expose itself to huge financial penalties. So, just to get this into print and on the air means there will be a mountain of supporting evidence to back it up.

    They must be absolutely certain their story would stand up to a legal challenge. Dates and circumstances will have been cross-referred and corroborated. To get this far and to print and broadcast something with direct testimony from victims in the face of an individual who is apparently litigious and have taken out super-injunctions takes a lot of very difficult, detailed work.

    Our media is not perfect – far from it. Some of our newspapers and broadcasters have ripped up their own credibility with pages and pages of partisan, inaccurate horse****, a lot of our coverage of serious issues is knee-jerk, Tweet-deep nonsense, and some outlets peddle falsehoods very easily but when it comes to big stuff like this there are some excellent journalists who make sure what they are doing is right.
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  17. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    More I read this thread and research online about what was clearly in front of me all this time the more I want to knock his lights out. Then again I am just going to wind myself up over something I can do nothing about.
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  18. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Just to expand on that, The Sunday Times / Dispatches reporters gave Brand and his team eight days to respond to the allegations. That is long enough to crank up the legal machinery and get publication / broadcast stopped pending the next move in the legal chess game. The fact that didn't happen suggests the evidence must be compelling.
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  19. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    The second predator will be outed soon. Can't f***ing wait for that one!
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  20. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    Are there rumours of some of Brand's associates being equally as unpleasant?
  21. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    The BBC seems to be escaping much of the finger pointing, yet it appears they at the very least turned a blind eye to questionable behaviour if the allegations do turn out to be true.

    Innocent until proven guilty don't forget.
  22. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    Tip of the iceberg. There's a huge amount of unpleasantness in showbusiness.
  23. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I never liked him. I never understood why others did. I’m not surprised that this has gone on.
    Unfortunate that so many young women were so keen to sleep with him feeding his belief that women are just disposable, there to be enjoyed and then dropped.
    Terrible that every official agent or media outlet contacted claimed no record of any complaints and have world class processes on behaviour standards. None of it was their fault.
  24. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Brand and Jonathan Ross resigned from the BBC in 2008 after the Andrew Sachs call. The allegations against Brand span 2006 to 2013. Lazy and easy to turn the scattergun onto the BBC in one sentence and then suggest 'innocent until proven guilty' in the next. Which is it? Were the BBC turning a blind eye, or is all this stuff concocted?

    Innocent until proven guilty applies to legal proceedings, of course.

    Aside from that it's a pretty meaningless cover-all phrase often used to obfuscate or excuse dreadful things.

    Believe it or not, there'll already have been considerable contact between the C4 / Sunday Times journalists and Brand and his team. He will have been given a full opportunity for a right to reply. The Sunday Times says eight days' notice in which to respond. There is a process that applies to journalistic investigation and that appears to have been followed appropriately.

    'Innocent until proven guilty' does not mean that journalism should be silenced. As I said earlier in this thread, a huge number of hurdles have had to be jumped to reach this point.

    Edit: Meaning that if the evidence the newspaper and broadcaster had was weak, full of holes, easy to refute or didn't stand up, Brand would have had this shut down, and probably quite easily. So, a threshold has been met – the threshold to publish/broadcast. Brand can sue and if they are wrong, he will win huge damages.
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  25. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

  26. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

  27. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    I long for the day of James Corden's downfall.

    And Tim Lovejoy, obviously.
  28. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    No place for Gregg Wallace on your list?
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  29. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Another person I cannot stand. Corden is the epicentre of all that is wrong with television. Not funny, not talented and how the Americans stomached his late late show is beyond me.
  30. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    No, not as far as I know.
  31. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    Innocent until proven guilty, I find this trial through media and social media totally abhorrent especially with such serious allegations involved.
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  32. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    The logical extension of that point of view is that the allegations against Jimmy Savile should have been silenced on the basis that he was not here to defend himself when they were made. The same goes for Harvey Weinstein, who tried to intimidate and silence his victims as well as those who sought to expose him.

    Innocent until proven guilty applies – absolutely rightly – to court proceedings.

    But there's a threshold to be met for the publication of serious allegations too – and that threshold will have been met. There's also a due process that will have been followed, and potential repercussions should the allegations be false. That's the cost/benefit of having a free press.

    The alternative is that bad things go on across all society and stay under the cover of darkness indefinitely. It takes bravery and diligence to get allegations of this nature into the public domain. The investigation has been going on years and was started, in effect, by Katherine Ryan confronting Brand to his face in a TV studio.
  33. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Yes. One very specific in fact. Mentioned heavily already and was his best mate - definitely in the days around these allegations. It’ll take the cake, so to speak.
  34. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    And only to court/legal proceedings. It’s regularly as a defence mechanism and some sort of escape hatch to anyone accused. We can all judge as quickly and as harshly as we choose and examine the evidence as we see fit. Otherwise any victim of a crime would have to consider the accused as ‘innocent until proven guilty’.

    Indeed, when you see a text message, confirmed as from Brand - apologising for the act that he’s accused of, I think it’s fair to say we can make a decision on what we believe.
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  35. Jossy

    Jossy Reservist

    I'm sure you're right regarding how thorough some journalists are with the way they research things like this as your posts always suggest you're pretty knowledgeable regarding media/press related stuff. My only gripe for want of a better term is that it appears to me they choose to go after the low hanging fruit and never the 'big dogs' who are seemingly 'protected'.

    As people have mentioned in this thread, Brand has always been someone who appeared to be a creepy c**t and now it seems as if that's certainly the case. I just wish some of these journalists would apply the same kind of effort to find out who the people were on the Epstein/Maxwell list they were trafficking kids to. She's been in prison for 2 years and there's still been no arrests as far as I'm aware. I think that would be a far better use of a journalists time and far more important when looking at the bigger picture, rather than confirming what most reasonable minded people always believed to be true about a nobody like RB. I know it's not officially their job, but then neither was bringing down this oddball.

    Without wanting to go down the conspiratorial path, the complete lack of progress on the Epstein list and seemingly zero desire to find out names by anyone capable of investigating it steers me in the direction of believing that were allowed to be fed the Brand's of this world, but only in exchange for the real shady ****ers being allowed to operate in the shadows with impunity. We only got Savile after his death, and then seemingly every man and his dog said 'oh we've known about him for years'. Was his association with government and the royals the factor that protected him until he was dead??

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