Revenge Porn

That link is also about a lad i had some friends in common with from uxbridge. that is the very first article on him but it soon became apparent he didn't fall and he was murdered, as he was seen being chased, sober (post mortem results), through a hotel at 7am, up to the roof and beaten half to death before hitting the ground

 

Haha, I've seen a LOT worse on 'lads' holidays!

 

Everyone is a victim in your world Moose. People can never take responsibility for their own actions. Obviously it's embarrassing behaviour for the blokes involved but there is only one "star" of the show here.

 

Why is there only 'one star of the show'? Why is she more culpable in your world view? All involved took part in a public sex act with 24 others.

Ultimately it seems no one coerced this young woman, but plenty egged her on, connived in her intoxication and failed to try to dissuade her. Now her humiliation is assured by the publication of the recording. It doesn't seem very chivalrous to me. Why is that difficult for you to hear?

Seems to me you can do more than your fair share of claiming victimhood. If it's not the EU it's unreasonable lower paid people, or people on benefits, 'Big Government' etc etc all out for a cut of your action. You're not short of something to moan about.

 

What did this girl do to you to deserve such umbrage? And morally challenged? Why?

 

When a Man goes out on the town he doesn't know if he's going to get lucky. When a Woman goes out on the town she decides the outcome. I have little sympathy for the Woman in this case.

 

"Why is there only 'one star of the show'? Why is she more culpable in your world view? All involved took part in a public sex act with 24 others. "

Not strictly true is it? 23 people took part in a single sex act in public. 1 person took part in 23 sex acts in public.

 

No they didn't. They took part in a sex act with each other even if they didn't touch. The doing it together was part of the eroticism, part of the taboo breaking.

 

That's not a great surprise. Maybe she doesn't deserve sympathy, but maybe she doesn't need the condemnation either, certainly not if we don't equally condemn the men.

You can't deny the double standards. If this was some guy at a hen night pleasuring 23 women he'd be seen as a hero.

It's like moog says too, you can see it as just sex when all is said and done.

 

The lengths to which you will go to exonerate this woman are absurd. So you think that the 2nd guy in the line got off on the fact that number 19 in the line was also getting some service? Or do you think he just laughed and headed to the bar after his go?

 

Moose: "A woman giving fellatio in public to 23 seperate men during a single airing of a Right Said Fred track should not be condemned"

 

She shouldn't be condemned in a different way to a bloke. Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend? You seem to have a problem separating out what you feel about something from it's objective truth. Either sex is ok, whatever people do, or you have the same rules for all.

Clearly she is going to be condemned and one day regret. That's why the male actions are unchivalrous.

 

So True!!

 

She's the only one whose face was on camera, for starters.

Furthermore, she was at a significantly higher risk of contracting some kind of STD than the men.

The men are also morons but the woman was clearly more out of control than they were. If the gender roles were reversed (i.e. 23 women, 1 man) I'd say exactly the same thing.

 

Maybe we have different ideas of what constitutes good morals, but in my world s*cking 24 different mens likely unsanitary d*cks in public in under 2 minutes, whilst blatantly being filmed, with your t*ts half hanging out, in order to win some sort of prize, doesn't show a good level of morality, nor intellect. The men are morons too.

 

You'd think the guys might have played that trick a few times before. Maybe over a few weeks or a summer season they've swapped so many genital warts with their friends their ***** will have assumed the shape of a picnic bar.

 

1 person gave head, to all
20+ who didn't give, but received

theres your answer

 

Well put

23 people doing 1 thing
1 girl doing 23 things

 

Yes. I did understand thank you. I'm framing it in a different way.

 

I'm not saying it wasn't stupid. But I find the 'moral' discourse highly curious. It's consensual and they're all of age so I don't see how she's immoral, or why she specifically is judged on a different standard to the men

 

Have to agree to disagree on that one, I still find her actions highly questionable from a moral standpoint, they couldn't really be any less classy and self-respectful. It's a far cry from simple consensual sex and if such actions were generally considered as socially acceptable then I think I'd lose all hope in mankind.

As for why she's being treated differently to the men I personally think that's painfully obvious and has already been touched on repeatedly throughout this thread, but it's as simple as that whilst the men should also be held responsible to an extent, there's a huge difference between them doing that one thing with the one woman, to the one woman who went through 24 separate men.

 

+1 Like.

 

Are you saying its 'immoral' too?

 

I am just confused at your point of view. The issues that you " don't see" seem so blatantly obvious to just about everyone else. In this specific case, it is the numbers that matter, not their gender. It would have been the same if it was a bloke taking on the other 24.

But you are entitled to your view.

When I was talking this over with Mrs Zz, we both felt sorry for the stupid girl (and her parents) rather than outright condemning her actions as "immoral". Most of us make mistakes (although I realise that some others on this Forum would admit only to morally perfect lives), I certainly did when I was younger, it was just that my mistakes are there for me (and a select few) to reflect on, rather than the entire world.

 

I don't have much of an opinion on the incident or the participants per se... there are bigger things going on in the world and even in my life to care much about this. To say it's not a gender issue is wide of the mark though. Slapper, slʋt, ho, slag, tart, the list is endless. What are the equivalent male words for such a person? It's not really surprising most people seem to be holding the woman involved at scorn more than the men. They are all equally culpable of course.

 

Lad?

 

qed.

 

They are not 'blatantly obvious' if your point of view is blatantly one-sided. Some, unlike you, are struggling to apply the same rules to men and women.

But it's also a valid point that this is just sex, even if the instinctive reaction is to be a bit appalled.

 

I find this first point baffling. Last time I looked our society didn't function like wild animals running around on heat in mating season and frowns on promiscuity. Are you arguing that the actions of this girl are no different morally from a girl getting married and sleeping with her husband for the first time on her wedding night, simply because it is all consensual sex and thus the same? Or are you arguing that our society is wrong to regard the girl's behaviour as immoral and it should be considered normal behaviour?

 

Well I concede that you can make an argument as you have done that it is all a single event participated in by 25 people and hold them all equally accountable. But the vast majority of people will use the numbers argument to show more disgust at the person involved the most, so "blatantly obvious" seems a fair comment. You can make your argument, but it won't be a viewpoint shared by many.

 

It is blatantly obvious Moose. If this girl had just done this to one bloke instead of 24, then it would not have been anything out of the ordinary and certainly would not have gone viral on the internet. It is the 24 that appalls most people, not the fact that it is a girl. I would think that most men on here would not particularly consider a bloke who had oral sex with 24 strange women, each for about 1 or 2 seconds, as any sort of hero or "lad" - quite the opposite (uuuurggghhhh) I think. But, I am happy to be proven wrong in this case if a poster would honestly admit that they would like to do that!

But there is a valid discussion around the different treatment that girls receive, compared with "lads". But it isn't really relevant in this specific case, which is really about the number involved..

 

I think, if the roles were reversed, and there were 24 women sat there with their legs open to be serviced by one guy, the derogatory remarks would still be aimed at them.

 

So much wrongness in one post. He's not arguing any of those things.

And what is 'our society' FFS? There are many different lifestyles and moralities. Ultimately the law decides and no laws were broken here. Yet one individual is held up for public ridicule.

 

Who said anything about laws for heaven's sake. It's morals in terms of how society judges behaviour, not laws. Several posters have repeatedly explained why one person is being judged more harshly than the others. Do you need it drawing in crayon?