Return of the Soviet Union

With the current situation in Georgia I am pleased to announce the imminent return of the Soviet Union. However if those pesky Georgian hadn't tried to reclaim South Ossetia by force then they might not be in their current mess.

However I view with curiosity the fact that the Soviets decided to try and bomb the major oil pipeline that runs through Georgia, despite it not being a military structure. Destruction of this pipeline would mean the Soviets having control of most of the major oil and gas lines in eastern Europe. Hmmmm....

I also view with interest how the USA transported 2,000 or so Georgian troops from Iraq to the South Ossetia front line, now why would they do that I wonder....?

There you go, I've posted a nice topical non-football related thread for us all to discuss!

Long live the Union!

 

with lil ol russia left out in the cold for a long time, had time to regroup and with U.S, rit and EC and UN involved in iraq and afiganistanbowles - this was the most stupid thing for the Georgian twot to do - unless of course it was done on porpoise - there could be something very fishy going on and quite dangerous.

But uck it, who cares, we aint getting shot at and wfc are playing the ball nicely on the ground and we are going down.

 

I've just quit my job and answered the call to go and fight for the motherland.

Should make my opinion on the subject clear.

 

Paddy have you been drinking!!?? Grammatically interesting, but enlightening non the less!

Anyway personally I for one am for the return of the Union, anybody fancy helping me rebuild the Berlin Wall this weekend?

 

armageddon outta here.

 

If we were being shot at maybe the season would get cancelled and we wouldn't go down - when the season eventually resumes we might even win the league

 

Silly Georgians giving the Russians an excuse they didn't really need! If the Ruskies stop before they've taken Tiblisi I'll be shocked.

 

if the russians send in their olympic divers they will take out georgia if you saw them this morning you will know what i mean

 

an intriguing set of events. if georgia was indeed the aggressor then it's put paid to any Nato hopes in the near future. still though, a mirror of the kosovo events but with a western friendly government instead of a russian one. do we stay consistent and offer georgia eu and nato membership in exchange for national determination in their various contested regions? or do we carry on as we have the last ten years by putting these concerns secondary to energy security?

 

Imagine if we had let Georgia into Nato say a year or two ago, that would certainly have made this situation very interesting indeed.

As for the contested regions, I'd say from this moment on they'll never be part of Georgia. Russia holds all the cards at the moment and they won't be willing to give them up. I think we can safely say that the Russian boarders have expanded for the first time since the Cold War.

 

What's Katie Melua got to say on the matter? That's what i want to know.

 

now they've gone an drawn out the kosovo comparison well after i made it cool. one of these superpowers should hire me as pr guru. i could employ comical ali as my right hand man

 

hmmm I think that comparison was inevitable. I tend to agree with Russia on this and I chuckle about how they are making the west shyte themselves. Russia aren't as powerful as everyone thinks, a united front from the rest of Europe would be stronger than them, yet most countries are too scared to take this stance. History always has a habit of repeating itself.

 

the problem here is that east europe is falling into the washington sphere and old europe are trying to distance themselves from that. there isn't much point in hyping up EU military capability and fawning over joint defence pacts between the UK and France that were once unthinkable if you're just going to revert to type and follow the american gun.
france and germany will take us in their fold and push for soft power mediation in an effort to show that their way is best and that the EU can be a viable super power. however the bloc countries are too anti-russia, pro-america and EU-dismissive for that too work. my analysis - russia gets independence for these georgian tin-pot towns and in return they get domestic consolidation aswell as sending the fear of god into places like chechnya. unfortunately the gambit of delaying the star wars project has completely failed but i dare say they don't care much given how completely useless it all is.

 

true. They have scared a few of the former Soviet countries.

The other interesting thing is how the Russians have been handing out Russian passports to citizens in the Crimea (i.e Ukraine for those who don't know) and Estonia. This is exactly the same tactic they employed in Georgia. It's an interesting situation and one where I believe at this moment Russia holds most of the cards. I think they're playing to some long term plan and the fact that they hold most of Europe's natural resources is also advantageous to them.

 

i did not know about the passport hoo hah so i thank you for that info stuboy. it looks like the age of the UN is finally upon us and rather than act out of sheer self interest they're playing the humanitarian card the americans love to use. get some citizens, point out how badly they're being treated, move in as peacekeepers, wait a few years for the host country to take it back by force and then annex all the territory you want. genius.

although to be fair on those ruskies, these places do have high ethnic russian minorities that often are treated as second class citizens anyways.

 

This wasnt a knee jerk reaction to Georgian aggression. Russia had been planning this for months. I have no idea what they want but the rest of the world needs to unite against the Russian Bear once again.

 

unite against the russian bear? because they've been upholding the right to self determination for the last 15 years?

 

I was watching the news out of one eye on Saturday and it seems Russia made Tom Hanks sleep in an airport terminal for weeks whilst they witheld his passport! I'm not sure of the details but it sounds barbaric.

 

Leave us bears alone you bully kh.unt

 

Geez, how did I miss this thread?

I'll grab my PPSh and head to the front with Lukey.


As fan pointed out, the passport 3rd column scheme is bloody genius. Only the Soviet Union could be so bold as to back it up with 'Peacekepers'. I was particularly impressed with the nearly instantaneous reanimation of the Soviet propaganda machine depicting the 'bankrupt Saakashvili regime' as aggressors, among other things.

 

You would say all that. American pig.

 

Speak up...my PPSh can't hear you.

 

I am finding it hard to believe that the Russians would have ucked the world up as much as the Yanks have - give them a go I say.

Who ever discovered America should be hung by his boules.

 

I think you give Americans too much credit. There are plenty of global fruck ups to go around.

That said, I don't intend to dodge our responsibilities, particularly with regard to leading the charge on showing the world how to ruin the ecology and for tipping the middle east on it's ass for the flimsiest of excuses.

I see the link to 'Soviet' movement back into Georgia and the US inability to effectively cool the conflict down by deterrence since we are foolishly engaged all over the friggin globe already.

Again though, who put the magic wand in the USA's hands?

YOU DID.

It happened when Europe decided to play ring around the rosy in 1914 and again in 1939. You all fell down and left your handbags and wallets in Uncle Sam's coat room.

 

you saying they weren't aggressors? because that flys contrary to the facts in the my left wing intellectual hands!

 

Sorry, for a second I forgot what end of the hammer and sickle I am on.

 

I can't believe you posted that.

 

I think 'appropriate measures' is a euphemism Mr Saakashvili, you know what it means, what are you going to do about that?

 

In the history books of every country including East Timor it states, " America joined the wars when they knew who was going to win".

It would be great if USA was to sink into the sea, we would lose the ar$ehole of the world and the water levels would rise enough to wipe out Wales - a double whammy

 

I think the bigger worry for me is the fact that the Americans are trying to (or maybe they have now?) put nuclear weapons in Poland because of this little situation.

Now if that isn't inciting nuclear war I don't know what is.

It isn't even their farking continent!!

Fitz, you should be ashamed man! Go stand in the corner!

 

they haven't put nukes there so no worry. but they do elsewhere on the continent and have done for decades. but it helps. there hasn't been a major world war since the advent of nuclear weapons and there probably never will be. provided you don't live in a proxy state then you're the safest you've ever been.

 

Not wanting to kiss fan's backside.....but he's totally right there. In fact during the Cold War (except the Cuban missile crisis) mostly western Europe was secure. As he says the proxy states were where and still are where the action's at.

I'd rather have a Cold Wat than a hot war that's for sure. A tepid war might be interesting though.......

One Russian diplomat the other day compared the situation in Europe now to that of 1914; however I don't see many similarities at all to be honest. For a start there's no Austo-Hungarian Empire and no Prussia! But if anybody does see similarities please let me know!

It's great having a thread like this, I know I'm quite sad but I do like a change in subject on these boards sometimes!

 

there is the amerc.unt empire, the european empire, the chinese empire, the terd world empire and lastly russia, just ahead of the East Timor empire..

 

i completely agree. my degree would be wasted if it wasn't for stuff like this!

i'm trying to think how this is like ww1 but all i have is maybe a complicated set of alliance systems that we'll live to regret once some minor noble gets bombed while hopping in and out of his horse drawn carriage.