Premier League - 2022/23

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by StuBoy, May 29, 2022.

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  1. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    I don't mind Lineker as a football presenter. He's not award winning or anything but much prefer him to Jenas who was being lined up as his successor the last I heard.
  2. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    What do you mean?

    I don't particularly like Linekar, but he isn't wrong in this instance. The language used in government policy is exactly like the language used across the world in the 1930's regards Jewish peoples movement out of an increasingly Nazi regime. 1000's refused entry to European nations, US and Canada in a similar way. That certain groups choose to get upset over his comments is ENTIRELY on them by putting the missing parts together and either coming to the wrong conclusion or deliberately and aggressively targeting him to deflect back onto him and away from their ******** policy and ideology. The fact he's been asked to be silent about it is ALSO ironically similar.

    If he is wrong it's because he should have said it's like the UKs language in refusing Jewish refuge in the 1930s and not like Germany in the 1930s. But you still can't be offended by it if you don't have an agenda.
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  3. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Liverpool put 7 past Manure then fall behind at Muff. About as consistent as us. :p
  4. Heidar

    Heidar Squad Player

    I hope Neville laughed in Carragher's face. And then Carragher spat in Neville's face.
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  5. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

  6. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Difference is it takes us about a season to score 7 goals!
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  7. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    With the number of people on social media saying 'Match of the Day was better without Lineker, the pundits and the commentary' I thought 'All they need to do now is get rid of the football and it'll be perfect.'

    MOTD is the most consistently watched football programme in the UK, with an audience that dwarfs the majority of live Premier League games. I saw a stat about its reach over a season, some huge number of people watch it at some point or other in the season. It's the most accessible way for the majority of people to watch football.

    I'm usually a staunch supporter of the BBC and of public service broadcasting in general but this latest row, the infiltration by the likes of Davie and Sharp, the inconsistency of its weird rules (Lineker held to account, Sugar, Meaden etc not – and that's before we even begin to scrutinise Neil and Bruce (Fiona, not Steve!)) suggests it is no longer fit for purpose. It should go. Or at least be fully privatised. Give the consumers the choice of what they want to pay for and what they don't and we can see how it turns out.

    Everyone can pay for what they want to watch / listen to and we can do away with the whole charade that there's some kind of 'public service' requirement that people have to toe some imaginary line if they work for the corporation. Lots of commentators suggest that a 'Netflix style' system would be more appropriate anyway. Bring it on. Charge the market cost for the BBC, or whatever it evolves into, watch as the number of customers drops and therefore the prices rise significantly above the cost of the current licence fee. And if you want to watch any football, including the World Cup and Euros, we can all just get another subscription. Win-win because that will pump some more much needed money into the game too.

    (This post may contain some sarcasm).
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  8. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Someone criticized newsreaders as glorified autocue readers I think on HIGNFY when one was a panellist. They're not wrong. Do people watch the news only if a certain someone is presenting it ? The cult of the newsreader is unfathomable to me. The way the likes demand of the BBC to pay them a million pounds a year or else they'll be running off to another channel and the even more extreme examples in the US where dolts can be heard to express the view I don't watch the news unless X or Y is presenting it.

    Ditto with football presenters and pundits. The salaries they are given are shocking. The vast majority would continue to watch matches regardless of who presents as they are there not to watch X or Y presenter but the actual sport itself. And anyone who has watched football for a long time can see what tactics need changing and what is not working. It's not rocket science. This at a time during the week when the BBC is also cutting funding to it's three primary orchestras.
  9. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Exactly. Do viewers watch MOTD because Lineker presents it, or to see football match highlights ? The same number would watch it if I presented it.
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  10. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    I'd watch it especially if you wore a Watford kit. :D
  11. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    After watching MOTD I much prefer the new format. Just straight into the football. It was great. I hope they keep it this way.
  12. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    My impartiality clause would block this. I would however secretly be wearing Watford socks and boxers.
  13. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Let's get rid of all the hosts and presenters and just show the sport with crowd noise. But let's not stop at football. Do the same for rugby, the Olympics, everything. Because if the stance is that the sport is improved because there's no gormless jibber-jabber over the top then apply it across the board.

    And if Sky could adopt the same policy – after all, it was they who started the salary race, admittedly one the BBC didn't have to engage in – they could reduce their subscription costs right down t0 the cost of a licence fee too.

    While we're at it, get rid of Fiona Bruce from Question Time and appoint someone who isn't married to a Tory donor. After all, how hard is it to say: "Yes, the gentleman in the blue shirt." Get rid of Alan Sugar on The Apprentice and get someone who does not express political opinions on social media.

    But as a broader issue, it's always struck me as weird that the salary of someone presenting a football programme creates so much more resentment for some than, say, the grotesque enrichment of certain individuals who flogged faulty PPE, or a former Prime Minister who needs an £800k loan arranging by the BBC chairman.

    'The market' – the all-powerful market – has decided what people in TV should be paid. Lots of people think the market should be left alone to decide what people and services are worth but then want to apply caveats.

    Edit: If people are annoyed at Lineker's salary they'll be absolutely livid at what Neville and co get at Sky – despite having smaller viewing figures – especially when a Sky sub costs so much.
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  14. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Same, I don’t care for Lineker at all but I make him right on this one. The backlash to him standing up for refugees and everyone saying MOTD is better without him just shows what a hateful country we’ve become.

    I haven’t even watched MOTD for years, but why stop at that, let’s just not have presenters for anything? Let’s have the news as just a bit of rolling text on the screen. Why bother making films anymore, we can all just read the books if we want to know what happens. Would save everyone a few bob after all.
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  15. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    The thing is, it's a co-ordinated attack, all part of the Culture War journey. Let's face it, if Lineker had Tweeted in support of Braverman's policy nothing would have happened. There'd have been a bit of a backlash from people who don't like the policy, who dislike the Government. There'd be calls for him to go from generally left-leaning people but the BBC would have done nothing because the BBC has been infiltrated by the likes of Davie and Sharp.

    And they've 'chosen' Lineker – or at least seen this as the perfect opportunity – because it captures the imagination of a much larger number of people. If the BBC had chosen to make an example of, say Chris Packham or Deborah Meaden, the story would have been over and done with by now. But Lineker's profile – and football's profile and demographic – means it's the ideal red meat to rile up the people the right now intend to rile up on a regular basis. It's worked brilliantly for them. It's given the hard-of-thinking MPs like Scott Benton and Lee Anderson their 'man of the people' tweets.

    But it's also a terrible precedent and it's a distraction. All they need is division. All they need is people saying: "Yeah, MOTD was better without pundits and commentators." They don't need any more than that because it all diverts away from their own corruption.

    "Hey everyone, Lineker earns £1.3m a year talking about football. You'd love to talk about football for a fraction of that. Oh, just stay angry at Lineker while we trouser all your cash. Remember, Lineker's trousering your cash. Not us. Lineker."
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  16. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    It was rubbish in reality .

    Even people who hate Gary and co would have liked some commentators surely ?

    Sky highlights on YouTube has that at least .

    Surely every time he tweets Lineker has potentially been impartial ?

    This isn’t a one off situation of him criticising the Government.
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  17. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Ultimately the question is what does his contract say. They have obviously turned a blind eye to previous posts but the reference to Nazi Germany was seen as a step too far. If he’d simply said he thought the policy was inhumane or rubbish he’d probably have got away with it as he’d done with other posts.
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  18. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    You mean partial, not impartial.
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  19. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    He’s freelance though, not a BBC employee. And it seems that it is far from clear what rules apply in his case.
  20. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Yes freelance contractor so he can save himself tax presumably by putting income through his company. However his contract will presumably be akin to an employment contract in that he will have to follow company policies and for example not work for competitors (which a true freelancer / contractor could and in fact would be expected to do).
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  21. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    The difference being, of course, that anyone irritated by the size of Neville's pay packet has the option to simply cancel their Sky subscription whereas it is a criminal offence not to contribute to Saint Gary's BBC salary
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  22. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    But it seems unclear whether the “company policy” on political impartiality does extend to such people, especially when their role with the BBC is not a political one and they are speaking in a personal capacity.
  23. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    It certainly highlighted how little actual football is contained in the original programme. I also missed a little bit of preamble on the the team lineups and changes for info. All in all the style seemed to me a rather petulant way of dealing with the situation.
  24. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    I think you're on to something here
  25. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    To be fair and pedantic, he didn’t mention Nazi Germany. Certain media outlets added that in to blow it up and distract from the actual policy itself. Also, it appeared to blow over midweek when Lineker talked of moving on, only for the press to randomly doorstep him the next morning.
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  26. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    The BBC should have used a packet of Walkers crisps in Lineker's chair to present the show
  27. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Apparently they weren’t even allowed to use the World feed commentary and the highlights were even shorter than usual.
  28. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Not really. The match edits were much shorter than usual.
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  29. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Hitler's national socialists came to power in 1933. Lineker's inference was clear and highly offensive on many levels. That said, he should have the right to be as offensive as he likes - but if, in doing so, he contravenes the terms of his employment his employer has every right to reprimand him
  30. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Why was it highly offensive?
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  31. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Neville salary = £1m a year
    Premier League football rights = £1.2 billion
  32. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    OK, but why? Petulance?
  33. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    As offensive as Fiona Bruce excusing Stanley Johnson – nominated for a knighthood by his son, the ex-PM – breaking his wife's nose because it was a one-off on the BBC's flagship political discussion programme? Or less offensive?
  34. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    I don’t think it’s clear that he has contravened the terms.
  35. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Not sure the point you're making here. Neville is paid £1m a year to be a co-commentator and pundit. Viewing figures for Sky's live PL games are typically a million or so. Recently set the record of 4.2m for the latter stages of the Liverpool v Man U game.

    Lineker is the host, the face of the BBC's football coverage. He anchors the most-watched football show in the country, also anchors the World Cup coverage when viewing figures reach tens of millions. In terms of exposure, Lineker's role is far bigger but his pay is only a third higher than Neville's.

    His salary is about the same as Zoe Ball's, who doesn't present any football at all. [Correction: In 2020, they were on about the same money. In 2022, Ball's salary was reportedly lower than Lineker's.]

    Sky's budget for football coverage dwarfs the BBC.
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