On This Day...

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Old Watford, Aug 8, 2023.

  1. Old Watford

    Old Watford Academy Graduate

  2. Old Watford

    Old Watford Academy Graduate

  3. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    They played Gangster’s Paradise in the buildup to kickoff against QPR. I thought it odd at the time, but maybe it was because of the 20th anniversary. Can’t believe it was that long ago.
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  4. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    I remember that quite fondly. Was on my way to the Vic when I got a phone call from my sister telling me the game was off due to an incident. Pretty sure it was the first day of the season against Coventry. Went back later that afternoon to lay a wreath of flowers with the others outside the ground. Loan signing from Man Utd, also a friend of Ashley Young I think. RIP xx
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  5. StuBoy

    StuBoy Forum Cad and Bounder

    I remember the Davis incident very well. I was up at Manchester Uni at the time and was coming back down for the game, and ironically passed the spot on the M40 I believe where his accident happened without even realising it at the time. As I was at Manchester the double irony was we had Davis and Webber on loan from Utd that season who I couldn't wait to see and was really excited about. Sadly for Jimmy it was not to be, I think this affected Webber quite badly too as they were mates.
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  6. Heidar

    Heidar Squad Player

    I remember the Chievo friendly, Amauri scored one of the best goals I've seen at Vicarage Road - rained so heavily during the game that the dip in the road near Harwoods Park was underwater. Fans had to climb sideways along the park fence to get across.
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  7. Old Watford

    Old Watford Academy Graduate

    I remember thinking on Saturday that it was odd we were playing Gangsta's Paradise and even thought of Jimmy and the 03/04 season but didn't make the connection as to why we were playing it until today.
  8. K9 Hornet

    K9 Hornet Border Collie Dog

    I remember Jimmy Davis when he played at Aldershot in a pre season friendly 3-0 win. Was a class apart, and also one of the few players who stopped to talk to the fans. Can't have been more than a week or two before he died. Very sad.
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  9. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Sad day for our club 20 years ago although obviously more for the Davis family
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  10. sherwood

    sherwood Academy Graduate

    Watford played and trained in Finland during the summer before the season and Jimmy was very exiting prospect for the season. He was pick of the players during those friendlies.
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  11. Old Watford

    Old Watford Academy Graduate

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  13. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    I remember getting chatting to some Bournemouth fans in the pub before this game. They were delighted to be in the Champo and were there to enjoy the ride.

    I left thinking, ‘what a good set of fans, I hope they stay up’.

    Like a Dan Brown chapter ending, little did I know what was going to happen.
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  14. Old Watford

    Old Watford Academy Graduate

    They always used to be a team I think we respected. The fact Luther played for them and they loved him as much as we did. Also the dignity of their players and fans before the first game we played after Jimmy died. But as you say little did we know.
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  16. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Mods, can you close this thread, please. It's making me feel old
  17. Bubble

    Bubble Wise Oracle

    I think the 'bad feeling' towards Muff was also from that same season! The game at their hovel that ended 1-1. If memory serves, they were awarded two suspect penalties (the second a blatant dive) and someone was sent off? Might've been Angella? Gutsy second half performance with 10 men to escape with a point but there was a lot of anger in the away end with Muff's antics. Was just a pre-cursor to following games against them where the same thing happened!!
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  18. Old Watford

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  19. Old Watford

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  21. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    I've only just discovered it but I really do recommend having a look at the oldwatford.com site. It's full of interesting WFC stuff, looks brilliant and is easy to navigate - a big plus for easily confused old duffers like me. Hats off to everyone who took what must have been a considerable amount of time to put it together
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  22. wfc4ever

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  23. Old Watford

    Old Watford Academy Graduate

    Thanks for your kind comments Lloyd. Especially appreciated as its a one man operation with two scanners and a rather large programme collection!
  24. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    I have that programme!
    And that one!

    Nostalgia,not what it was!
  25. StuBoy

    StuBoy Forum Cad and Bounder

    I was on holiday in Italy with my family for this one (Amalfi coast if I remember rightly), gutted to be away from the UK. I remember looking up the score on some patchy teletext in a random room I found a TV in the hotel. As was usual the teletext was all broken up and I saw we had scored 1 through Mooney but couldn't see what Liverpool had. Naturally I assumed they had at least 2 or 3, cue my surprise when the teletext briefly righted itself and saw it was Liverpool 0-1 Watford. I think the whole of the hotel heard my shout of triumph! The Sprite 16 year old me drank that evening never tasted so sweet.
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  26. Old Watford

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  27. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Decimalisation happened in Feb 1971, so interesting to see the price of the programme six months ahead showed as 1 shilling with the decimal equivalent.
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  28. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

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  29. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Always seemed bizarre to rank clubs by "goal average" rather than "goal difference". I don't understand why anyone ever thought that more complicated method was in any way a fairer way to order a league table.
  30. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    True but goal average was used for a very long time. Everyone would agree goal difference is better, clearer and easily calculated in your head; so I don't get why it wasn't used earlier than it was (I think GD was first used from 79/80).

    Goal difference rewards attacking teams who score a lot and goal average rewarded defensively disciplined teams who conceded fewer. I don't know the real reason GA was used in the outset but I would hazard a guess that in the late 19th century teams would play a 1-1-8 formation and the authorities felt that teams who conceded fewer was the answer to encouraging lower football scores. The problem with it was that winning 1-0 was technically infinitely better than winning 5-1.

    The main problem that I can see is this, two attacking teams do well over the season and defend well. So come May the league championship could be decided by GA.

    Consider Team A, they score 80 and concede 35, that's a healthy +45 in GD.
    Team B on the other hand score 78 and concede 34, giving a GD of +44 and as such Team A win the league with a better GD of +1 and everyone would agree it's fair. Had Team B scored one more or Team conceded one less then there equal GD currently means that Team A would win on goals scored.

    Using those numbers Team B would have won on GA, because 78/34 is higher than 80/35.

    Effectively under GD you can improve your chances of being one place higher than a rival because in a few games you put 4 or 5 goals away, under GA you could lose out because in one game Team A are 5-0 up and let up in the last 5 minutes and concede 1.
  31. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    As a final point, I'm sure a number of fans remember the final match of the 88/89 season. Due to the Hillsborough disaster the last league game was Arsenal's visit to Liverpool. Prior to the match Liverpool had 3 points and a GD of +4 more than Arsenal, but Arsenal had scored more so any 2 goal Arsenal win would have given them the Championship. Which it did by a last minute goal to make it 2-0.

    Had Goal Average still been a thing according to this table, Arsenal would have had to have won 5-0 to take the title!

  32. Old Watford

    Old Watford Academy Graduate

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  33. Jossy

    Jossy Reservist

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    I went to this game, sat in the Upper 'Rous' as it was (think the Lower Rous was closed). I used to love midweek games as a kid because it meant I got to stay up late. My folks were separated so me and my brother would be waiting at the front door for my dad's car to pull up and we'd then excitedly dash out down the garden path.

    The thing I remember most about the match was Barnes playing. In the pre-internet days there wasn't a lot of information available for games, especially friendlies/testimonials, so we all remarked they'd got the programme wrong. Cue much confusion when Barnes ran out with the team for the start of the match.

    The other thing that stood out is that with Barnes playing we were actually very poor. It turned out he'd been given special permission by Dalglish to play the first half on the basis he 'took it easy' as they needed him for Saturday's Charity Shield (in fairness, can you imagine in today's game someone like Klopp letting Salah play for another team on a Tuesday when they were playing 4 days later!)

    Rick Holden started the second half in his place and we immediately looked much better and recovered from a 0-1 half-time deficit to win 3-1 (think Wilkinson might have got a couple, or possibly Glyn Hodges).

    The daft things you remember.
  34. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    A rare sighting of the legendary Stuart Rimmer there!
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