New European Super League

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by The Voice of Reason, Apr 19, 2021.

  1. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    I think if the clubs that want to join the Super League also want to stay in their domestic leagues and all other football competitions such as cups etc. they will probably have to run two separate teams, and the players would not be able cross between them .unless they are formally transferred.

    E.G. You would have something like Liverpool Domestic and Liverpool Europe. If they did that this idea might just work?
     
  2. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    See the premier league thread VOR. About 6 pages of chat in there on this.
     
  3. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    I agree that this subject should be a separate thread.

    I hope that these clubs simply uproot and play their matches in China and let all the other clubs in Europe quietly get on with our own leagues as we have done since the 19th century.
     
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  4. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I agree @The Voice of Reason. I said as much this morning on one of the other threads. It would probably need different managers too. No way a club competing in the Super League would accept a loss there because Pep or Klopp were distracting preparing for Wigan away in the FA Cup three days later.
     
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  5. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    Agree

    Return all European completions to straight knock out cups.
     
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  6. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    But it should not be on the Premier League Thread should it :p maybe the mods should move all that chat to here.
     
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  7. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    Isn't it the same as preparing for a Champions League tie sandwiched between an FA Cup 4th round away at a League One side? They'll play their strong 11 against Real Madrid and play their kids against Wigan.
     
  8. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Maybe we could be on their radar for purchase to be 'Liverpool South'? Personally, I'd prefer to be 'Arsenal North' in line with most of our fans already.
     
  9. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    No. They'd still have more TV money coming in to unbalance the domestic league. They could swap funds around in a Udinese-Watford way, but with more of it.
     
  10. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    Exactly, so what's the point in them still being in the domestic completions if they are not playing their first team.

    Throw them out and let them enjoy their ESL
     
  11. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Oh yes UEA they should have different managers etc. and the players who are in the European team will have to accept that is the only football they will be able play and that should include NOT being able to play for their countries.

    If the players want the financial gain they will have to accept the footballing pain.
     
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  12. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    That's the solution, yup. But then given the number of SL games proposed and way its apparently structured, these sorts of conflicts are going to arise 20 times a season rather than now where it happens genuinely maybe once or twice in Feb/March for a team competing in three or four competitions. And sometimes it'll be Wigan away in the cup, and their fans won't care, but I guess other times it'll be the Merseyside derby that could be seen as the one to put the kids into.
     
  13. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    Why would we want it to work?
    They can make their boring closed shop bed and die in it
     
  14. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    This would be a competition for telly-watchers. Fans of the big London clubs who enjoy a day out in Birmingham, Leicester or Southampton for an away match won't be able to afford regular trips to Madrid or Milan, and with few away fans there will be the lack of atmosphere which players are already complaining about.

    The football authorities should play hardball and deny these clubs entry into the domestic leagues. Ideally, players who play in unapproved competitions would get a life ban, as happened when English players went to Columbia in 1950, but I guess that would be ruled out as a restraint of trade now. Even without that, exclusion from international football would be a disincentive for some.
     
  15. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Well I think I heard on Sky or somewhere else that the plan is for the football pyramid to gain financially from it as well, and if that is the case I can see UEFA/FIFA/The FA and all the clubs coming round to the idea :D
     
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  16. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Ah yes, the bribe on similar terms to EPPP, which loosely translates as "Let us do our thing, we'll throw you a bone.", once the bone is consumed then what?
     
  17. dynamo380

    dynamo380 Reservist

    See Mourinho has been sacked for refusing to take training this morning because of the super league. Fair play to him I say, this ESl is a disgraceful idea
     
  18. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Apparently he punched Levy on the spot and told Ryan Mason he was a 'sellout backstabbing fu*kstick'. Harry Kane was seen crying. Gareth Bale nearly missed his tee time. It's been a wild morning at the Spurs.
     
  19. hornetfan

    hornetfan Academy Graduate

    Joel Glazer is one of the main driving forces behind the European Super League. The Glazers borrowed huge sums of money to buy Manchester Utd. and then dumped the debt on the club. Does anyone seriously believe that they really care about financially helping the football pyramid? Can they be trusted?

    The reason that the German clubs have not committed to the ESL is because of the 50+1 rule in the Bundesliga. Commercial investors are not allowed to own more than a 49% stake in a Bundesliga club so that "private investors cannot take over clubs and potentially push through measures that prioritize profit over the wishes of supporters."
     
  20. 99mph

    99mph 4th Prediction league 2011/12

    Apparently this isn't true, I'm seeing some Journos online reject this part of the story and saying that it's entirely linked to performances/results.
     
  21. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    It's none of your business, mate.
     
  22. Since63

    Since63 Reservist

    Depends on how water-tight the clauses in the constitutions of FIFA/UEFA/FA are. If clubs have effectively accepted by being members that such membership can only continue if they only play in authorised competitions, then it may not be restraint of trade as they can still compete in their own little club from which they are excluding others from joining. That would be an interesting paradox for them to argue their way out of in court.
     
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  23. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Not a fan of Jose but if that's true then fair to him. This ESL just sums up football for me currently. I've always loved football but right now if they said there would be no football ever again I couldn't care less
     
  24. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    How do Arsenal and Spurs qualify for a 'Super' League?
    Let them clear off I say and play in their money-grabbing version of the Inter-Toto Cup. All games will be played in empty stadiums with crowd noise piped over the tannoy and cardboard cut-out fans glued to the seats. Kick-off time will be in the middle of the night to maximise pay-TV audiences in the middle and Far East.
    I'm going to start going to watch Wealdstone. or Kings Langley every week. A few quid to get in, drink a beer while watching, dogs allowed in, everyone's pro-Brexit... magic
     
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  25. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    Has this been published anywhere reputable?
     
  26. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Absolute scenes as UEFA announce their new CL format with 'places for elite teams that fail to qualify'.

    It was happening anyway!
     
  27. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    Bundesliga club Borussia Dortmund have said they and German rivals Bayern Munich both rejected proposals to form a breakaway league.

    In a statement on Monday, Dortmund chairman Hans-Joachim Watzke said that the members of the European Club Association (ECA) had met on Sunday evening and expressed "a clear opinion to reject the foundation of a Super League".

    He added that the two German clubs on the ECA board, Bayern and Dortmund, had taken "100 percent" the same position "in all discussions".
     
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  28. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Yes, but what happens when the generals running Myanmar take over Wealdstone?
     
  29. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    I agree with your first points but don't understand your last comment. Why does this mean you would stop watching WFC and change to non-league?
     
  30. hornetfan

    hornetfan Academy Graduate

    I think that the reason that the German clubs have not signed up to the ESL because of their 50+1 rule. "Under German Football League [DFL] rules, football clubs will not be allowed to play in the Bundesliga if commercial investors have more than a 49 percent stake. In essence, this means that private investors cannot take over clubs and potentially push through measures that prioritise profit over the wishes of supporters." (Bundesliga website)

    Apologies that I am repeating myself because I have already raised this point in an earlier post on this thread.
     
  31. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    There are spots reserved for the German clubs, I’m trying to imagine what would make the fans bend and change their minds to allow it to happen? Perhaps nothing in which case it surely makes it unworkable?
     
  32. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    Kane must be in a right fluffery-buffery. and what about poor little Debbie Alli?
     
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  33. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    Eric Dier hasn’t been in such a tizz since Winksy spilled a lemon and lime soda pop all over the upholstery of his white Fiat 500!
     
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  34. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Well, it makes it not a 'super league', certainly - clearly anything purporting to be that has at least to include Bayern.

    But then you could argue that the inclusion of Arsenal and Spurs already warrants a reference under the Trades Description Act.
     
  35. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    You mean just like many of the teams in the "Champions" league are not Champions?
     

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