The football is technically better but attendances are poor hence less money. More money helps whatever you do for a living so thats why they are coming to England. Stay at little Watford for two or three seasons, do well with them then get your big or bigger club move and better wages.
It really is very strange that the club are still yet to announce this. It's common knowledge now and it's been confirmed by Udinese, so why are they still delaying?
It was the same last summer, we pretty much knew about the new guys many days or even weeks before the club official announcement
I've got a feeling that there will be a bigger announcement some time this week. Last year there were pictures floating around for a couple of days whilst on the training camp in Ireland. I'm hoping it is sooner rather than later and I'm really looking forward to how it is reported and how other fans take it, because this year, the same as last, it is within the rules.
The 2nd division in Spain is technically better that the Championship, of course I am biased. There is more money in the Championship and obviously more MASSIVE clubs that can pay better wages does not mean it makes it better. There are players all over Europe playing in the Champions league that don't earn as much as ****e players in the bottom half of the premiership or players in the Championship, it does not make those English clubs better, just stupid for paying silly money for very average players. I like Spanish football because technically we are 1000 times better than English football. Not all English fans like that, quite a few like hoofing, attacking, athletics and boxing all on the football pitch and seeing 10 goals or it hasn't been a good game. OK I'm exagerating but you get my point? The marketing of English football is a wonder to be hold. Don't get me wrong I do like English football (Not the national side they are ****e) I LOVE watching Watford, always have, no matter how good or bad they are, but that is just my opinion again as a Watford fan.
Well Roberto Martinez joined WIgan from Club de Futbol Balague who were playing in the 4th tier of the Spanish league and he was talented and skillful. I'm sure that there are quite a few Spanish players in the lower leagues who would be more then capable of playing in our leagues but with much better technical skill. The academies are slowly changing the style of play, but until we can get through to the parents of the 10 to 14 year olds that winning isn't everything and developing the kids talent is far more important we will always lag behind countries like Spain skill wise.
Its Vydra or Acuna..... its that simple.... There is no way either are coming here to speed most of the season on the bench. . We will get one but not both
Not just the Spanish, I've seen enough German amateurs that are technically better than your average Championship player. As there's not so much money involved below Bundesliga 1 they simply don't want to turn pro. Mostly they have good secure jobs or run businesses.
He has just tweeted this javi acuña @cjac9 20m Ya en el hotel con el equipo y con ganas de hacer mi primer entreno mañana con mucha ilusión y muy feliz de este nuevo reto!! = Back at the hotel with the team and wanting to do my first workout tomorrow very excited and very happy for this new challenge!
But he didn't say which hotel and which team. FML! He's been kidnapped by Hollowhead and is in the Country Bumpk Inn, just past Truro! What would Suralex say?!!
No Spamish 2nd tier team has ever won the FA cup in England - logic then tells us and stats, they aint as good as our chumpionshyte teams innit..
Pretty much my views. British football is backward on the pitch, but excels at the fan matchday experience off it.
Cannot agree with this at all. What's wrong with good strong attacking football that exploits the physical weakness or fitness of a team that knocks the ball about beautifully. If you want to win something you've got to earn it, and if you can't break down a well organised team that will sting you on the counter with direct football, then you don't deserve the victory. English football was the best in Europe in the eighties, and our continental pals couldn't handle it. That was teams playing great entertaining attacking direct football, yet even then it was criticised by the effete purists who, in the same way ponC artsy types justify lumps of glued together sh!te in the emperors new art galleries that are springing up everywhere, desperately have to belittle anything that invloves hard work or creating something from what you have. Watford used to play the long ball in the eighties, yet Glen Twaddle only ever played a long pass! Utter rubbish. We were the perfect example of style over substance last year; beating, even trouncing good sides that came to play football, but failing against organised 'lesser' teams whom, in some circumstances, we barely even troubled. That is not a virtue, that is a failing, and we will have to sort it out next year. How can we lord it over teams that beat us easily? Even then, we were hoofing the ball as often as we were knocking it around for much of last season, so please people, let's not dissappear up our own Rses. Yes, we're playing some great football, and lets enjoy it. But lets not, for some elitist reason of football snob-hairy (an attitude I have always been proud to have avoided with Watford), embarrass ourselves with cheap dismissal of things that make this game the incredible worldwide theatre of dreams that it is. Talk like this justifies the negative attitudes people are generating towards us, and I am afraid I cannot hear this type of talk without remembering the utter sh!t that people said about one of the most exciting and hard working teams of eighties, yours truly, Watford FC. Youngsters today seem to have little feeling for this club's heritage. Why is it that English football, and not just the Premiership, is the most popular to watch all over the world? Championship matches are regularly shown abroad, even when you can't get it over here, yet when was the last time you saw a second tier Italian, German or Spanish match shown as standard. Because its boring! Entertainment is an important part of football, that's why we go to see it, and British football has always been the most entertaining football out there. I'll wager that a Spaniard, German or Italian could name more teams in our second third and fourth tier than they could teams in those of the other countries.
English football was so great in the eighties, just look at all those Euro championship and World cup finals we got to. And FYI I'll wager that Spanish football is twice as popular in the Western world than the English game, I really think you believe Sky's own hype. La Liga is broadcast free throughout South America. German, Spanish and Italian football boring? No mate only in that bubble you live in, it is a thousand times more watchable than Stoke.
And the Prem gets a pittance for the overseas rights? And the FA Cup is only watched in parts of Northen England?
Er, my point was that what is being said now has always been said, whatever the reality of the situation. And it has always been worth diddly. Oh, and my underlying point that it was being said about us at a time when we were at our best, whatever you think of this side that could not bring home promotion to the prem this year. I am not putting down this side, I am criticising your attitude.
I wouldn't question that between 77 and 84 Nottingham Forest and Liverpool had great success in European competitions, but I don't accept either of those teams achieved it by playing long ball football. In fact I'd say not a single English team which has succeeded in Europe did so by playing long ball football. Also picking years in isolation creates a false impression. Dutch and German teams dominated 70-76, so you might as easily have said Dutch and German style of football was the best in Europe. The truth is winners are fairly well spread throughout European countries as team strength ebbs and flows. 1955-56 Real Madrid 1956-57 Real Madrid 1957-58 Real Madrid 1958-59 Real Madrid 1959-60 Real Madrid 1960-61 Benfica 1961-62 Benfica 1962-63 Milan 1963-64 Internazionale 1964-65 Internazionale 1965-66 Real Madrid 1966-67 Celtic 1967-68 Manchester U 1968-69 Milan 1969-70 Feyenoord 1970-71 Ajax 1971-72 Ajax 1972-73 Ajax 1973-74 Bayern Munich 1974-75 Bayern Munich 1975-76 Bayern Munich 1976-77 Liverpool 1977-78 Liverpool 1978-79 Nottingham F 1979-80 Nottingham F 1980-81 Liverpool 1981-82 Aston Villa 1982-83 Hamburg 1983-84 Liverpool 1984-85 Juventus 1985-86 Steaua Buch. 1986-87 Porto 1987-88 PSV E'hoven 1988-89 Milan 1989-90 Milan 1990-91 Red Star B. 1991-92 Barcelona 1992-93 Marseille 1993-94 Milan 1994-95 Ajax 1995-96 Juventus 1996-97 B. Dortmund 1997-98 Real Madrid 1998-99 Manchester U 1999-00 Real Madrid 2000-01 Bayern Munich 2001-02 Real Madrid 2002-03 Milan 2003-04 Porto 2004-05 Liverpool 2005-06 Barcelona 2006-07 Milan 2007-08 Manchester U 2008-09 Barcelona 2009-10 Internazionale 2010-11 Barcelona 2011-12 Chelsea 2012-13 Bayern Munich See above. Forest and Liverpool played entertaining football, but it wasn't direct longball. I don't recall anyone critising forest or Liverpool at the time I heard this argument a lot in the 80's, but Hoddle would mix it up with both short and long passes. Being able to switch between a mixed short and long style is (imo) the best way to play football. I got fed up with English football over the last 10 years and I went to fewer and fewer games each year. I started using business trips to take the opportunity to visit and watch the best teams around Europe. Last year made me fall back in love with it all over again. But that's just me, I wouldn't criticise anyone who doesn't like our style over substance as we all have different tastes. Ours are clearly different....fair enough. Thats funny, as I'm in my 40's and haven't been called a youngster for as long as I can remember.... I first started following the orns in the late 70's in case you have the wrong impression of me. I never called it un-exciting I called it backward. Traditional English (or British) football is backward, with too much empasis on pace and power and how far a ball can be kicked, and not attenton paid to technique.
What attitude, exactly? Fact is British football IS backwards, from grass roots on up. We choose the biggest kids from a young age, teach them to bully the smaller kids off the pitch, and focus on physical characteristics over technical. We might do OK in the younger brackets, but we're at best dull, one dimensional and mediocre at senior level. Sides like Spain and Germany are so far beyond us technically that we're not even in touching distance. Our coaching techniques are stuck in the past, and our national team fully reflects that. You only have to look at the improvement in the technical play of the likes of Deeney and even Doyley to see the difference the continental approach has made. Lloyd still is not (and never will be) a world beater with the ball, but his technical abilities have improved noticeably since Zola and his new backroom team came in. The England national team are the best players we have as a nation, and they're comically behind the nations we should be competing with. To say otherwise is to deny something that should be glaringly obvious to anyone.
:sign8:Can you not keep the Acuna chat to this thread? I know its important to you guys to establish that European trophies are won or not won with direct style English football, but every time this thread is updated I expect news about an official WFC signing or worse that he has ****ed off.. So can we hijack it back please?
I haven't got the wrong impression of you. You are a football fan and you are knowledgeable, articulate and passionate about it. I just do not get why you decry the English style as if it has no worth, or as if it is worth less than a style that can be incredibly negative, and equally as ineffective as a more direct and physical style, only less likely to produce something that entertains. Liverpool and Forrest didn't play a prissy passing game, though they were capable of spraying it about, and they had their fair share of hard men as well, in the English style, but they certainly did hoof it up the field when they felt a need, and if you believe Graham Taylor, and I do, they resorted to it more than we did when it suited them. Just because Hoddle's got a reputation as a footballer in a footballing team doesn't mean that a long ball he hits is any more deliberate than a quality ball up the by-line from Ian Bolton. I wouldn't tell Webby I thought it did to his face! This game has room for all styles, and I can appreciate all of them (except for clogging) without decrying the validity of the rest. Should anything happen to the Pozzos, we'll play whatever football we have to, and I hope you stick with us. Sorry, I know you would, but maybe the idea of it could make you have a think about what you are saying right now about a style of football we have used well at times since 1881, and may have to use again.
Well, I think that is clearly explained in my posts, so I won't go over it again, other than to refer the right honorable gentleman to my previous answers. England are sh!te. No argument there. The reason isn't their technical ability though, but their pi55 poor attitude to the the international game, and that has been the case for the last twenty years. Got a lot to do with money, hype and distraction I think, but not technical skill. Those players of the Golden Generation easily had the ability to become the greatest National team of their generation, but they would defeat themselves before even getting on the pitch. People say what a great player Beckham was, but ask them about his great England moments were and they'll mention the Greece game, think for a bit, then mention his sending off against Argentina and then puking up on the pitch. And he gets mentioned in the same breath as Bobby Moore!!
Completely agree with this. Lack of technical ability is only part of the equation. Germany utterly tore us apart in the 4-1; we got shafted when Lampard's goal wasn't given, but it's papering over cracks. They utterly slaughtered us. Ozil made our entire midfield look like chumps. But not only were they better individually, they were the better TEAM, because their attitudes are spot on. The Germans don't **** or moan if they get put back into the U-21s, they damn well go on and bust a gut to win the thing. Same with the Spanish. Also, Acuna not yet confirmed by www.watfordfc.com.
Let's face facts, most championship clubs would trounce that 66 England team if they were magically transported to our time because there honestly was not much skill displayed in that final by either team ... it was all clip it forward and chase as hard as you could and players had to virtually stand still to pass the ball. Even Lloyd can do a Cruyff turn, it wasn't even invented till the mid 70's.
