Iraq - where is the rest of the Muslim world now?

We keep hearing from Muslims how the extremists are not "true" Muslims, but once again, they just sit on their hands in silence as the genocide continues. It looks like the West are getting drawn in again to try and help the minorities in Iraq.

Where are they all? Where is the condemnation? The assistance, the humanitarian help?

The silence is deafening.

 

Iraq’s problems are not primarily religious.

The magic word here is oil.

Supply them with the weapons then swoop in and pretend to be the saviour.

Why are American and ourselves always sticking our noses in?

 

More than just Iraq. IS operate in Syria and now Lebanon too recently.

It is a genocide in which religion is used as a catalyst to mobilise people into doing awful things they would've usually have done. Possibly a religiously motivated genocide.

I would be quite happy for the UK to get involved to prevent the mass slaughter of innocent people. I've seen the video where they line people up in ditches and shoot them one by one. Where they truck people around and shoot them as they unload off the back. And where they one by one push people to the side of a river, shoot them and push them straight in. It is a genocide plain as the nose on your face.

 

There is apparently a huge schism in the Muslim world which in the Middle East is leading to the most barbaric conflicts. There are some idiots who support fundamentalism and racist, sectarian ideologies with deplorable stupidity. Go to twitter though and you'll find plenty of Muslim voices who abhor the violence and refuse to support fundamentalism and aggression of either Sunni/Wahabi or Iranian/Shia hue.

There is no reason for us to sit in fat triumph over this shambles. The seeds of Islamic fundamentalism and Middle East conflict stretch at least as far back as US and UK support for Bin Laden's mujaheddin in the Afghan war against USSR. Even now neither the White House nor No 10 will condemn Saudi Arabia or Qatar as the backers of this madness, indeed rumours are rife that the CIA continues to favour IS over Assad's Syria leading to the US's policy inertia. We have controlled the region for decades, suppressing democracy and supporting dictators like Mubarak and Saddam until the latter pissed us off, though Maggie didn't seem to care about the gassing of the Kurds in 1988. We still sold weapons to them.

Not to mention the sanctions and then Bush/Blair's illegal war against Iraq that killed Hundreds of thousands, led to the torture of thousands more, lit the touch paper for civil war and left a legacy of environmental degradation caused by depleted Uranium.

A bit more bombing and a few packaged meals to the Zoroastrians whose country we have utterly ****ed is probably the least we can do.

 

Humanitarian aid is provided by the Red Crescent which hundreds of thousands of Muslims give to. As for countries, Iran and Syria are not in a position to help and the Gulf States are, with our knowledge, complicit in the violence to varying degrees. Other Islamic countries other than Pakistan don't have the fire power or technical resources to get involved.

To know how 'silent' Muslim opinion is it would be best to read the Muslim world press.

 

Are you saying Sky/Fox don't present all the facts and are not biased? :sick1:
Well I'll be blowed!

 

Yes. I've heard that ISIS are completely materialistic, practically minded folks.

That must be why ISIS have beheaded/mutilated masses of Christians and Yazidis, and taken a bunch of young Yazidi females as sex slaves. It's a damn clever way to get their hands on oil. I'd never have thought of it, I must confess.

In all seriousness, it's not the first time we've backed the wrong horse in the ME, and it won't be the last. There's no 'good guys' in that part of the world, except the Egyptian military who recently saved that country from a Wahhabi sponsored bloodbath. Saudi farking Arabia are prime shyt stirrers, and their filthy fingerprints are on everything involving Islamic extremists from Nigeria, to Mosul, to Washington DC.

 

Don't tell that to ZZ! that Osama was born there is mere coincidence.

 

He could have been born at the North Pole for all it matters. The key thing is the mental beliefs that Saudi Arabia are using their clout to push hard all around the world.

They're the ones stumping up the money for mosques and Islamic schools in Western towns and cities, and they're using them to spread their poison, which some people describe as Wahhabism, but both its proponents and non-muslim opponents describe as pure Islam.

 

Why doesn't our Government or the US call the Saudis out on this?

 

Money and oil

 

And that's the 'deafening silence'. 2bn$ in funding for IS leading to Genocide of Christians and other minorities and we are still playing the game.

 

Morbid curiosity I suppose. Lots of people do, it's a strange psychological phenomenon I think.

 

Not meaning to answer on Simms' behalf, but the news/media we get in this country really has become a sanitised kindergarten of disinformation. Thanks to the internet, we can now get closer to things that are happening around the world, but in the process, you're inevitably going to see some pretty horrific imagery.

 

I saw this this morning ... you'd think no one would do such a thing but they do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb28IYXBi9A

 

I think this is a pretty fair summary.

I try to get information from non-mainstream sources (especially non-US mainstream sources) because journalistic bias seems to be getting worse and worse.

As mentioned above, the price you pay for that is that you occasionally see them things you'd probably prefer not to. Of course, there is an argument to be made that be deliberately avoiding things we don't want to see we insulate ourselves from the true horror of what is going on in certain areas. To quote Stalin, "One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic." Our brains simply cannot comprehend what genocide truly looks like.

 

You know your country is imperialist and corrupt when the whole of the Middle East don't get involved locally, but you do.

 

The usual response from the usual posters, trying to deflect rather than answer the question.

The fact remains Muslims are killing, torturing, raping and maiming 000's of Muslims and these atrocities hardly get a mention (if any) on sites such as Aljazeera as they only seem to talk about the political struggle (check it out, Moose, if you dont believe me).

I'm sick and tired of the West getting involved, risking our childrens lives to stop Muslims killing Muslims en masse in a far off land, but it is also hard to just pretend it isn't happening and bury our head in the sand, even if the Muslim world seem to do just that.

And Moose saying that humanitarian aid comes from the Red Crescent, implying that negates the need for any other assistance, is plain daft. That is as stupid as saying that we should never give government help where the Red Cross is involved.

 

The West is getting involved because it cares about Iraqi's

'Kurdistan accounts for 43.7 billion barrels of Iraq’s 143 billion barrels of reserves, as well as 25.5 billion barrels of unproven reserves and three to six trillion cubic metres of gas? Global oil and gas conglomerates have been flocking to Kurdistan – hence the thousands of Westerners living in Irbil, although their presence has gone largely unexplained – and poured in upwards of $10bn in investments. Mobil, Chevron, Exxon and Total are on the ground – and Isis is not going to be allowed to mess with companies like these – in a place where oil operators stand to pick up 20 per cent of all profits.

Indeed, recent reports suggest that current Kurdish oil production of 200,000 barrels a day will reach 250,000 next year – providing the boys from the caliphate are kept at bay, of course – which means, according to Reuters, that if Iraqi Kurdistan were a real country and not just a bit of Iraq, it would be among the top 10 oil-rich countries in the world. Which is surely worth defending.'

A quote from the Independent.

 

Squibba do you have any evidence to suggest that us dropping aid, or america tactically striking genocidal militants is to protect our oil interests? Or are you understanding one factor in a huge mesh of different complex factors and assuming that because it's oil rich, that we don't care about the genocide and only care about our greedy selves? God of the gaps type argument again.

Are people really content just to leave well alone and watch by?

 

Interesting, but what's that got to do with my initial question?

 

Chinese people are such ***** sometimes.

 

The same is happening in Zimbabwe, Sierra Leone, Congo, Senegal, Somalia, Haiti, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan yet the West isn't involved and hasn't done in some cases in over 30 years of conflict. You genuinely believe that the West are the freedom fighting good guys with no ulterior motives?

What makes this point clearer is they did get involved in Nigeria which is the oil capital of the region.

 

Your initial question hinges on a them and us premise with Muslims, rather than the fact that humanity is humanity, which makes the question redundant in my view.

Either something is right or it is wrong. The involvement of Muslims in the question is a red herring in my view.

 

Maybe the Middle East aren't getting involved because it is none of their business.

You're essentially asking why did the Christian world not carpet bomb Ireland after Canary Wharf?

 

Lol, look at how many countries America has invaded in it's lifetime. Just happens all the countries they invade are rich in some form of natural resource.

 

So god of the gaps again.

What would you do Squibba in response to the genocide?

 

"We're doing the right thing because the government told me."

 

Well, you are entitled to your view...
...but I wrote the bloody question and I know what I mean, and that is that some of the richest and heavily armed nations on earth are within a relative stones throw from these atrocities, and they do absolutely nothing whilst people of their own religion are being exterminated.

If there was something similar (amongst Christians) was happening on our shores/borders then I would expect us to try and help, and certainly wouldn't want to leave it to the Muslims, Budhists, or Sikhs to sort it out for us!

 

That is so childish, that I half suspect it was just a whoosh/wind up!

You really have no idea do you! It will be Jordan and Lebanon under threat from ISIS next.

 

Is it?



Why did the French not stop us? The Italians? They're all Catholics.

 

He wouldn't do anything, because he wouldn't even read the question!

 

Sometimes I despair. Is anyone talking about an incident that happened 127 years ago? I am talking about what is happening now, as people are dying NOW!!!!