I,i,i,i,fwah, Fwah, Fwah It’s The Tories

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Moose, Sep 29, 2021.

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Who do you want as the next Tory party Leader

  1. Rishi Sunak

    7 vote(s)
    63.6%
  2. Lizz Truss

    4 vote(s)
    36.4%
  1. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Perhaps we could take a 'class action'? You understand that sort of thing - get the ball rolling!
     
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  2. reg_varney

    reg_varney Squad Player

    Yup, I know, I was just having my tuppence worth.
     
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  3. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    I still wonder how many UK citizens were effectively murdered by Johnson when he refused to close travel links with India, while in pursuit of a trade deal with Modi. Tens of thousands of people flew in from India over several weeks while it was the epicentre of the new Delta variant and travel from Pakistan and Bangladesh (not epicentres) was banned.

    BTW - I assume that the chances of the CoVid-19 Inquiry reporting before the next GE are now zero?
     
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  4. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    The latter, although I do think the funeral restrictions were probably overly restrictive.

    But those are easier to accept if "we're all in this together" is actually true and the people making the rules aren't throwing unjustifiable parties while the rest of the nation is unable to do anything, and then proceeds to bold faced lie about it on top of it all.

    BSJ and company's conduct was a self-indulgent tone deaf "the law doesn't apply to us" moment that would have made Marie Antoinette blush.
     
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  5. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Maybe the inter-relationship of the two?
     
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  6. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    It might be instructive to see a Venn diagram showing ‘those who think a line should be drawn under Partygate’ and ‘those who lost loved ones to Covid whilst being prevented from seeing them and/or attending their funeral’. I doubt the overlap sector would contain much.
     
  7. reg_varney

    reg_varney Squad Player

    Whereas Carrie Antoinette put on Winner Takes It All and had a party.
     
  8. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

  9. I'd go back further. If Ed Miliband had not run against David at the behest of the unions. I ******* hate Len McCluskey.
     
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  10. It's okay everybody, people on benefits can buy their own homes!
     
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  11. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    And streets can hold a vote on whether to approve a neighbour's plans for an extension. Truly laughable stuff. Incoherent drivel from a governing party that has spectacularly run out of ideas.
     
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  12. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    FFS
     
  13. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Well we didn't invade Ukraine. That's certainly a big call BSJ got right, unlike Putin,
     
  14. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    The ultimate git there is Ed Miliband. You really have to be a bit of a **** to come out and run against your own brother.
     
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  15. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The ultimate responsibility lies with people who voted Tory after five years of austerity, then again after two more and two more again.
     
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  16. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

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    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  18. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    So much for being green.

    Instead of looking at funding for more renewables, better housing designs all the things people with a few brain cells might do this bunch of morons give the go ahead to another gas field in the North Sea.

    Not to mention allowing drilling for oil near Dunsfold which happens to lie in anti BJ Jeremy *****'s constituency. Is this deliberately planned ?

    What ever the case it just highlights how thick these myopic winkers are in relation to energy policy. It's been nearly fifty years since the OPEC crisis and we're still dragging our feet about it. No doubt certain lobbyists have the ear of Bottlejob BJ.
     
  19. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Their hypocrisy knows no bounds. There does need to be a revolution. A revolution involving people holding their MPs to account, asking them searching questions, having an idea about the future and the wherewithal to ask searching questions and not be put off by bluster. These winkers deserve a pay cut and a smack around the head. Some deserve to be locked up.

    Including horseface Sunak who has only managed to lose another eleven billion pounds on top of the thirty squandered during the pandemic. No small change you can be assured. Shameless ****.
     
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  20. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    The right wing media often portray Gordon Brown's sale of half of the countries gold reserves in the 1999 - 2002 period as some sort of national catastrophe. In 2010 the Daily Telegraph estimated that it cost the UK £7Bn.
     
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  21. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    When you have to chose between a kick in the shin or a punch in the face, I can see why some consistently opted for a punch in the face.

    The issue is a political system that means the most extreme people in the county on the left and right put forward the only two candidates that have a shot of becoming our government. A system that encourages a much more representative representation of the countries views would give people a genuine choice.
     
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  22. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    This analysis is a bit naive. We got into the mess that delivered those candidates because of the failures of alleged centre ground politicians.

    It was they who trashed voter confidence in the system through decades of monetarism, privatisation, foreign war, expenses/cash for questions scandals and austerity. They exacerbated the precariousness of capitalism and delivered foodbanks and a rump health system. Labour had a left candidate because its centre and right candidates had nothing whatsoever to offer except showing they could be as mean as the Tories. The Tories went right because that was the corollary of using nationalism and phoney notions of sovereignty to stave off criticisms of austerity and preserve the system that benefits them and their sponsors.

    If we had truly moderate Government, ready to introduce a social pact to distribute and govern fairly without endlessly seeking enemies, you might have a point. But that isn’t in the interests of paid opinion formers who will turn politics extreme and trash any moderate moves to change.

    So you need to make your choice between one flavour or the other and that looks pretty clear right now for anyone for whom fairness is important.
     
  23. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  24. reg_varney

    reg_varney Squad Player

    And Cameron's "Big Society" coalition government, yeah remember that load of old bollox, had only been in barely 6 months. 6 months far too long of him, smarmy Osborne, and the useful idiot Clegg and his band of turncoats.
     
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  25. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Translated as ‘we’re going to slash services for poor, older and disabled people and enjoy a tax cut. Could you please look after them for free?
     
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  26. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    The gold was sold at a time of prosperity (when we didn't need to sell it). It was sold to buy votes. It was our rainy day fund and essentialy we got bugger all to show for it other than more Blair.
    The gold price in the period concerned was hovering about the $280 dollar mark. When Covid hit probably a better time to sell it was circa $1300.
    https://www.gold.org/goldhub/data/g...MI_M7n2MKs-AIVloFQBh20Gwv0EAAYASAAEgK0j_D_BwE

    Even accouting for inflation over this timescale the sale can not be considered anything other than a huge mistake albeit more money has been spanked since by other governments.
     
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  27. reg_varney

    reg_varney Squad Player

  28. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team

    https://financial-calculators.com/historical-investment-calculator

    It £280 invested in the stock market in 2000 would now be worth £900 so it's hardly hugely different.

    The fact is selling gold made money for the taxpayer but it wasn't was much as could have been made selling another time. Hindsight etc

    Yet this government pissed multiple times that unforeseen opportunity cost up the wall with corruption handing contracts to friends.

    I don't think people comprehend how much money was wasted
     
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  29. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    I agree but reserves are reserved for a reason. For use in a crisis. When the economy is booming you don't spend your reserves, if anything you add to them. Not doing so is either fundementally naive or more likely just as disengenous to buy votes as the current lot with their dodgy deals & cronies contracts.

    No recent governement left or right covers itself in glory and they all need to be held to account.
     
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  30. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  31. reg_varney

    reg_varney Squad Player

    I was just thinking who should be Johnson's new ethics advisor. Perhaps Prince Paedo's top confidant could be persuaded to provide some top tips.
     
  32. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Lord Geidt as ‘ethics advisor’ was a bad joke. He was there to provide a fig leaf for the ethical no-fly zone that is Johnson.

    This is simply thieves falling out.
     
  33. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Joey Ethics?


    I’ll get me coat.
     
  34. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  35. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

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    Lord Geidt's resignation letter does not make good reading for Johnson.
     

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