Following an horrific knife attack on five people, including three very young children. Social media was immediately alight with rumours about the suspect, despite Garda assurances that it was not terror related. Far right hooligans now clashing with the Police. We can’t be so far from something like this here. https://news.sky.com/story/serious-...ren-injured-after-suspected-stabbing-13014383
Are you near to a Foot Locker store? If so, ask Laurence Fox or Connor Macgregor to start some rumours and then bingo! You emerge from the ashes with some new shoes.
Any excuse by the far-right to cause uproar; only the day before they were frothing at the mouth calling for blood at a car crash before subsequently deleted all their tweets in SHAME after the driver turned out to be a 56-year-old white man travelling with his wife to attend a KISS concert.
People on the left are equally prone to racism. The majority of people I have known expressing racist views were on the left of politics, predominantly voting Labour. The far left will do whatever they can to deflect it, though. But this is just more evidence that Europe is drifting to the right, with elections, anti-immigrant border closures and states opting out of free movement. Entirely predictable. And the EU are ahead of the curve, as mainland Europe has tended to be historically. How long before the far right gain serious influence in the Council? Glad we're out of it.
What is actually meant by 'far right' these days? It seems to me that anyone who suggests that mass immigration might not be such a good idea is immediately labelled as far right.
When that view becomes hostility and authoritarianism based on race, for instance Muslims, Muslims, Muslims. I’m sure you know full well what the difference is between that and practical objections to high migration. At the moment the abuse and violence is becoming race-based and that is far-right however much idiots try to deny or reclaim that.
Could you please call out who is actually calling for mass immigration. Even a complete demographic basket case like Japan isn't doing that.
I think the abuse is more religion based than racial. Having said that, I'm not sure if Judaism is a religion or a race. Anyway, the point being I think your first point would have reflected better on you if you'd said: When that view becomes hostility and authoritarianism based on race, for instance Muslims, Muslims, Muslims or Jews, Jews, Jews
No. That is an illogical conclusion. Hatred and bigotry towards white people is not seen as right wing in the slightest, and, indeed, is seen as racial justice by the far left. So to say that hostility and authoritarianism towards a racial group is a right wing thing is clearly a matter of ignoring the racially motivated ideologies (CRT is defined by racism) and behaviour of the left wing. Racism is extremism, on the left or the right, and extremists on both sides are equally repugnant. Just as one side pointing at the other and saying its their fault is repugnant. We all know that racist things come from the left more frequently than the right. No one accused Labour of being far right when they were found to be Jew-phobic under Corbyn. And many on the left defended them. But far right loons exist as well, though the evidence is less mainstream, and sparse on the ground. Unless you include terrorist attrocities carried out by religious groups against western targets, or anti-Semetic marches singing slogans calling for the destruction of Israel and the removal of Jews from the planet. They are undoubtedly right wing, by your standards, but it is extreme left wing nutters that defend and support them. So no. I think your argument is flawed, I am afraid. Racism being right wing has been a lazy trope, but recent extreme left wing behaviour is changing the 'window' on that, as we speak.
Was interesting that in 2019 Congress found that far right extremism (and white supremacy) was one of the biggest threats to the US, with attacks coming from the far right outnumbering all others. Also caused more deaths as well Something the police over here have also agreed with (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...nazis-westminster-finsbury-park-a8229876.html). And it's the same across Europe and the wider world - that could be planning to blow up a refugee centre in Finland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kankaanpää_terrorism_arrests), trying to trigger a civil war by blowing up mosques in Germany (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/world/europe/germany-far-right-terrorism.html), Anders Breivik killing 77 people, shooting up a LGBTQ bar in Slovakia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Bratislava_shooting), the Christchurch shootings in NZ etc etc A vast majority of the violence or planned violence is on one side. And it ain't the left.
Thanks for that, except I’m sure you are aware that the far right in the UK (US is different) is not concerned so much with Jewish people at the moment, nor the recent influx of Chinese (from Hong Kong) or Ukrainians. It is quite obsessed with Muslims and that needs no qualifying. It was obsessed with Jewish people throughout the 20th Century and easily could be again. When there were many Jewish newcomers in the 1930s the far right decided they were incompatible with British values, communists, bolsheviks whatever and attacked them. Jewish people and their allies successfully fought them. Is that what Muslims will need to do now? There is much disingenuous talk right now. Is it far right to care about kids being stabbed? Then call me far right! That’s the apparent excuse for racism and violence. It’s not a good one.
It’s a crushing irony that for all the last decade of squealing can’t we talk honestly about immigration without the wokies calling us racist an honest discussion of immigration simply hasn’t happened. That would involve an honest look at our ageing demographics, an honest look at the abject failure of the Tories to invest in skills and training that would mean less reliance on immigration, an honest assessment of why so many working class people struggle to get homes amid the great wealth enjoyed by the Telegraph and second home owning classes, an honest assessment of Brexit’s isolationist weakness, and an honest acceptance that not being hateful to immigrants who are already here isn’t being anti-white or enacting some sort of a Great Replacement Theory.
The FBI has been warning about it for even longer. It's not a surprise to anyone paying attention - the US Overton window is ridiculously skewed away from centre (many mainsteam Democrats are arguably further right than the Tories in many ways, despite being the "left"), and the mainstream US right is in full on crazy territory. It's difficult to understand how far off these people are if you don't live here and experience them. Antisemitism is rife with a lot of the US right wing, not necessarily the politicians, but the voters. They wholeheartedly believe the most ridiculous conspiracies, and are more than happy to defend/rationalize political violence (and in many cases willing to engage in it). I was once in a small online private community that turned out to be full of extreme right wing Americans, and let me tell you, they say some terrifying stuff when they think no one is watching. I eventually left because it was honestly damaging to see some of the stuff they would post. An unpleasant experience, but I'm far more aware of what is out there now. Virtually none of them were well educated. Almost all of them engaged in hard, mind altering drugs; perhaps there is a connection there. The one that WAS well educated was a chemist, and seemed to have used his degree to find new ways to take the aforementioned drugs in enhanced doses. Perhaps most importantly: they almost all have significant private arsenals that would put small nations to shame. I wish I could say this sort of person was a minority fringe element, but they are not. They are a sizable swathe of the modern Republican base.
I can tell you that the Jewish population that I know of are more concerned with the far left like Corbyn, Cortez, Tlaib, OAC et al than the far right they have done more in driving AS then any far right individuals that I know of
While there have clearly been some stupid and vile individuals who expressed antisemitic comments on the left, usually around Israel, this is quite out of proportion. I can’t think of a single occasion that a left wing person has assaulted someone or attacked their property for this reason. You cannot say this of the far right who were very anti Jewish in the last century and clearly dangerous and aggressive to Muslims now. Is this where conservative politics is now? Favouring the far right as some kind of buffer to the Islamists? That won’t end well.
I cannot square what you are saying with what we know. Anti-Semetisim in this country is not driven by a rise in activity by the far right. It is driven by anti-Semetic behaviour by anti-Jewish islamists (please note, there is a world of difference between an islamist and a follower of Islam). People driving the length of the country to implore the rape of Jewish women. And it is incorrect to say that it is only individuals on the left. The Labour Party found itself to be institutionally anti-Semetic, and was investigated with the same conclusion, and soon after that, a Muslim group within the party reported that it was also Islamophobic. So, not individuals, but a movement within the the UK's second party that caused Jewish Labour MPs not to attend conference for fear of violence against them and others to hire body guards for protection. These are, along with islamist attacks on Jews that have recently taken place on British soil (in which I would include pro-Hamas demonstrations and calls for the destruction of Israel), practically the only instances of racial conflict in the country (with the exception of the Indian/Pakistan cricket riots). And they have featured many Britons who are part of the left wing in general, but also many who may be considered far left wing extremists. It is ridiculous to make the argument, in my opinion, that racism is predominantly right wing. Where is the equivalence?
Regarding talking honestly about the wokies calling us racist if we try to have an honest discussion about migration (I think we need it, and I welcome the fact that, outside of the EU, we can take people from India, Africa, where-ever we want); is there anyone, who has read the posts on this thread, that can honestly say that some posters (wokies or otherwise) are not specifically labelling Irish people, concerned about immigration, as racists? It appears to be the reason for the thread, after all. It is ironic that, in a thread where posters are defining people who have concerns about immigration as far right extremists, the same posters are also inferring that that sort of thing doesn't happen. There is irony in this world.
Alas, it is very easy to point out the FBI BS bias in this. In the US, in 2020, there were nearly a thousand riots at which a couple of dozen people lost their lives, thousands of minority Americans lost their livlihoods, billions of dollars of damage was done to peoples houses and cities, where government buildings were attacked, and in some cases burned down by fa and BLM, and yet they are not reflected in FBI figures, which report 24 violent left wing attacks in that year. So, when they start showing figures that are not demonstrably a pile of rubbish, I may start taking them more seriously. But until then, I'll carrying on interpreting their reluctance to address reality as a symptom of their inability to deal with it.
Here is a police list of the extreme right wing attacks carried out in this country between 2017 and February 2023. Righteously, the assailants were arrested and put away, the police hopefully throwing away the key... In 2017, a 47-year old male drove a vehicle into a crowd of worshippers outside a London mosque. As a result, one man struck by the vehicle died and a further ten were injured. In 2019, a day after an ERWT attack in Christchurch, New Zealand, a man was stabbed by a White Supremacist in Stanwell, Surrey. In 2022, a 66-year old man from High Wycombe carried out an attack using fire on an immigration centre in Dover. Two members of staff at the centre received minor injuries. That IS an exhaustive list. I have reproduced it not to say 'Ah but there isn't much of it', because it is all disgusting and needs to be identified and dealt with, but to demonstrate that casual talk that makes assumptions is often misleading. I suspect that most people thought, given the posts above and the police's warnings, that the number of actual attacks would have been higher. If it is on the rise, then it needs dealing with. But there is no need for anyone, including the police, to exaggerate the threat to the public, or to fill people with fear that may wind them up and contribute to radicalisation. The worst excesses of racism, bigotry and terrorism in this country are not generally the work of white Britons, who may be described as far right extremists, even though people considering themselves to be Britons (all creeds and colours) are in something very close to a 100% majority. I don't believe it should be considered racist if you want to have a serious discussion about that.
There have been no left wing terror cells broken up. There are no proscribed left wing terror groups like those on the right, National Action, Patriotic Hand etc. There has been no left wing nail-bomber, no left wing Breivik or Christchurch. The groups organising in Dublin went on a rampage with the stated intention of getting ‘foreigners, gyppos’ and of course Muslims. You’d think that wouldn’t be within the conservative sphere of approval or rationalisation.
If you follow the far left they will eventually meet up with the far right . All puppets whose strings are pulled by the same people . If this makes me a far right fash gammon nazi then guilty as charged. But my conscience allows me to sleep at night . I support, as much as I can , poor people . Luxury beliefs are for the modern labour mob
And yet every poll shows that US Jewish voters have supported Democrat candidates at or above a 70% level for the longest time, and that trend only accelerated when Trump was in the White House. Perhaps the people you know aren't representative.
Hamas (death to Jews), defended by dangerous far left wing extremists, all around the world. I am sorry, but you seem to be missing what is going on in front of you. They out Breiviked Breivik. And that took some doing. You may ignore it, but I won't, because I find racism and anti-Semitism unacceptable, whichever side it comes from. Just stop oil and their ilk have done far more damage and impacted more on the lives of ordinary people than those far right groups you mention. They should all be lumped in together as far as I am concerned as dangerous extremists. Far (enter side here) extremists.
Labour and Democrats have always been the home for the majority of working class Jewish voters. But all changed with Corbyn in UK and changing in US https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/jews-are-leaving-democrat-party-are-key-republican-success.amp
Can't see it swinging many constituencies over here though. There's only three where the Jewish population is over 15%. All Conservative since at least 2010. Will be interesting to see if they stay that way next year.
And yet the US polling shows that 3 out of 4 Jewish voters voted Democrat in the midterms because they were, quote, "significantly motivated by rising antisemitism and extremism fostered by former president Donald Trump’s influence on the Republican Party." https://www.the-independent.com/new...wish-voters-donald-trump-threat-b2222774.html Fox News can write whatever they want in an opinion piece, but polling and more rounded reporting from more reputable outlets paints a wholly different picture. The only group that has moved closer towards the Republicans are the Orthodox Jews, a group which already heavily voted Republican. The other demographics have unequivocally gone the other direction.
Trump hosting Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes and Hitler fan Kanye West at Mar-A-Lago probably didn’t help. https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/25/politics/trump-kanye-west-nick-fuentes-mar-a-lago/index.html
Understatement of the year. Not sure exactly how familiar you are with Fuentes (hopefully not very, for your sake), but he is far, far worse than "just" a Holocaust denier. He is a truly awful human being.
Anyone who uses the words woke or wokies must be in the top 10% of the most easily malleable, most easily manipulated people – highly susceptible to having thoughts and feelings imposed on them and highly willing to then spread the same cheese-cloth thinking to other easily-manipulated people. It's a word that was literally beamed into people's brains by the American right and far right and those who go round repeating it are barely more than the willing foot soldiers for the most reductive thinking, presumably in the belief that they are the speaking good old common sense that MosT PeOpLE ThiNk. Five years ago the concept of 'woke' and wokies was alien to us over here. But like a virus it has latched onto the vulnerable and taken hold. Amazing stuff, really. A real social science case study unfolding in front of our eyes.
Thanks to ‘woke’ you never have to hear that it’s ‘political correctness’ gawn mad anymore. So it’s not all bad. But what’s going to replace ‘woke?’
