Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Cthulhu, Oct 24, 2022.

  1. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    With respect to Cleverley we need a Captain with more passion and leadership.

    Make WTE Captain, tell him to be as loud and fired up as he was yesterday. To get in the face of the ref as well. The fans can get behind him. He already captains Nigeria
  2. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    What happens when he starts making mistakes and has to be dropped? He hasn't suddenly become a good player because he scored and waved a scummer off. Cathcart should be captain imo.
  3. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    Will he be good enough as a captain?
  4. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    I think either of them would do a good job as Captain. I know Cathcart gets a lot of stick (and rightly so at times) but without him our backline is very shakey, having him back there commanding was a relief to see. Both WTE and Cathcart have their faults and they will show them more often than not. but as a vocal leader and one who brings the team together? WTE get's my vote.
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  5. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    No idea but it looks like Bilic is a fan. I think it could be Cathcart plus one other for the rest of the season. If he stays fit...
  6. Irishorn

    Irishorn Gael Force

    WTE had a great day yesterday. I am very happy for him. I would never question his attitude and passion for the club. But he has shown on many occasions that he has limited ability on the ball and has made some reckless and costly errors. Maybe Bilic and his team can improve his distribution and decision making, but, for now, he is way off club captain level. When Hause and Sierralta are fit, they would be ahead of WTE (as is Cathcart now).
  7. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    If Louza was fit I'd have him as captain. Aside from that the cabinet is bare. I'd give it to Cathcart. He may be passing his better years but the backline looks a lot more solid with him in it. WTE despite his red card antics, goal and celebrations gifted the ball away and made positional mistakes again. I know he watches his games over and over again but still repeats the same mistakes.
  8. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Reservist

    WTE makes mistakes and gets killed for it by fans online and in the ground. Even on Saturday just prior to the goal he misplaced a pass and the Vic exploded in over the top vitriol. Pedro by this point had misplaced 2 or 3 and had his name sung!

    Cleverely makes mistakes and gets mild abuse and grumbling online.

    There is a huge difference here sadly. Some players will always he the fall guy. Gavin Mahon is another former player that springs to mind.

    For me I'd have him Captain in a heartbeat.
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  9. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Unfortunately Cathcart is still our best and most consistent CB. One half decent game by WTE doesn't justify a Captain's role.
    Adding to that I've been hugely critical of Gosling in the past but he been nothing short of fantastic in the RB role. Could easily see him keeping that position if he keeps up those levels. Hat tipped .
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  10. Our captain doesn't have to be our best player or even our best defender. He does have to be in the team however.
    Personally i think he's made of the right stuff to be captain when he's in the side, as is Cleverley, but both need to earn their place in the side, as WTE is doing at the moment.
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  11. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Quite right. I seem to remember Graham Taylor would from time to time buy a player for his leadership qualities rather than what he brought to the team in terms of pure footballing ability. Dennis Booth and Pat Rice spring to mind.
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  12. Big, fat, slow, Sam Ellis for a while too ... who had been the captain of his Lincoln side (of which Booth was of course a key player too) !
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  13. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Definitely....if any player seemed 'disinclined' to follow GT's instructions on the pitch, Sam would 'have a quiet word'.
  14. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I love Captain Beefheartbeat
  15. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    this feels like when everyone was screaming for Prodil to be captain
  16. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

  17. Dorset-Orn

    Dorset-Orn Academy Graduate

    I was just thinking the same and saw your post, we have no player fit for captaincy, and I'd go so far as to say that fixing this and finding a "proper" skipper candidate will go massively towards this squad evolving from a half hearted skillful bunch to a decent consistent team.
    Louza plays the part and if he has a voice on him he would be my choice. If not we need to start thinking about future acquisitions with captain in mind.
    TD at his best was a great captain but ever since nothing...
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  18. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    King of the lederhosen and spaniel pictures.
  19. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    Made captain. Made a mistake for the first goal and subsequently.
    Not the best player but he is a leader.
    We need leaders

    first 3 wins in a row for 7 years!
    He hates Luton. Scores against them. Leads us to victory and instills a sense of team purpose!

    Ill forgive his mistakes for that.
  20. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

  21. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    I was told this. Please enlighten if I’m wrong
  22. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    It was mentioned in the Sky commentary tonight. It’s obviously wrong because, off the top of my head, we won the first four games at the beginning of 2018/19 in the PL. Maybe it refers to Championship only?
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  23. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    you’re right we did
  24. Victory Road

    Victory Road Academy Graduate

    No we won a few back to back under Munoz in the Championship…I’m thinking a run of 5 or 6 put us firmly in the top 2
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  25. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    From the Bristol City to the Sheffield Wednesday matches we won 10 from 11.
  26. Heidar

    Heidar Reservist

    We need to have that kind of run again

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