Completely agree. Heard from a member of staff at the club he's known for just floating around aimlessly. Got the sense he's not very well liked.
I'm sorry for engaging in discussion on a discussion forum that doesn't align perfectly with your current viewpoint
We are seemingly paying him far too much and it is very hard to justify how much we are paying him. I think given typical agency fees in the world of football, he’d really need to unearth/spin for huge profit at least two or three Dennises to justify the outlay thus far.
It's defending the indefensible. It's no wonder our owners get away with constant and ridiculous behaviour when fans like you are prepared to perform such gymnastics to justify their every move, time and time and time and time and time and time again. Sent from my SM-S908B using Tapatalk
Yes Gino Pozzo employs Mogi Bayat because I posted on a forum that we may benefit from some aspects of the working relationship. Definitely, yep, very good. Maybe if I flounced on my ST and wasted my time sending crying emails to the club like yourself they'd change their dastardly ways? What's that? It did **** all? Fancy that. Not sure what's put you in such a grumpy mood of late but think you're confusing me for someone else. I don't justify every move and criticise when **** ups happen, which do, regularly. I totally understand those who are very very angry about Mogi, and if we cut all ties and were able to beat his success rate with signings and profit making I'd be delighted! Or even if we could replace him with someone less slimy and likely to be dodgy.
It's a pretty weak tactic to pretend I said something I didn't say, but I dare say if 20,000 fans held the owners accountable for the derision with which they treated us and our club, I dare say they'd be a little less obvious about how they take the piss. As it is, the likes of you give them a free ride with your 'maybe there is a justifiable reason for involving Mogi Bayat in a transfer from one club we own to another.' Even though this clashes with your long argued view that 'it's all one pot.' Sent from my SM-S908B using Tapatalk
You mentioned them, not I. I thought that for such a vehement, pisstaking accusation you'd at least know what the **** you were talking about. Sent from my SM-S908B using Tapatalk
So you're saying you haven't said you're flouncing on your ST, and haven't sent whinging emails to the club? Okie dokie Did I consistently argue it's 'all one pot'? Think you're confused again chap, suppose easily done when you label every person less pant-wetting than yourself as a...CoG (hard not to cringe when writing that)
You're the one confusing people. I've never said I'd sent whigning emails to the club. I did say I'd chosen not to renew my season ticket though, but use words like 'flounce' and 'whinging' and 'pant-wetting' try to make out like I'm the one using hyperbole. And yes you did argue that. Several times over several years. You. @WatfordTalk. You did. Sent from my SM-S908B using Tapatalk
At a time when we're up the creek financially, giving Charleroi 3 times what they had just paid for Bayo in a deal completed for the benefit of the Bayat brothers would have been enough for me to ask what the f*ck is Gino doing associating with this guy? Forget about all of the other sh!tty players and Mogi's reputation in Belgium, surely just this one transfer is enough to p!ss all of us off?
Lol. You had another meltdown at the start of the promotion season threatening to write to the club, you were called out on it, and you said you'd already sent it. Don't worry, deterioration of the brain happens to the best of us as we age. https://wfcforums.com/index.php?threads/derby-county-0-1-watford-fc-16-10-2020-1945-ko.57642/page-11
And the £12m in agent fees, let’s not forget the £12m agent fees. How anybody can brush that under the carpet is just bewildering. Laughable to suggest that we might sell Dennis for £20m, so it works out good value. I’m not sure that’s how it works for a club like us, we need to sell players for actual profit, not just to try and break even on our agent fees.
I'm not reading that whole thread. I'll just take your word for it that having already done so on my behalf, there's a post in there where 2 years ago I loosely referred to emailing the club and you bookmarked it like the fastidious hoarder you are. Rent free. Sent from my SM-S908B using Tapatalk
Don't be jealous of my superior memory! To be fair it must be tough to keep track of every toy-throwing tantrum... Anyway this isn't going anywhere, pointless wasting more time on it, let's drink, spend time with family, be merry and look forward to another successful season. Hope you cheer up soon bud.
I'm not so sure about the last bit. If it's proven that he's guilty of fraud, tax evasion or money laundering but none of them have been on our transfers it would be irrelevant, no? Surely you wouldn't want him anywhere near the club, regardless of the fact none of our transfers had been the ones that led to his downfall?
I would love for every member of Watford's staff to be lovely people, and to never engage in dodgy behaviour. And if he is proven guilty, I would hope that the club use that as an opportunity to cut him loose.
As I’ve sketched out I think the Bayo deal and the appreciation Charleroi benefitted from over the first six months of the year is somewhat reasonable and not totally atypical in the world of transfers. But Bayat’s outsized agent fees...utterly egregious and nonsensical.
I think the lack of clarity on his role is a really crucial piece. For now, he is working seemingly with the authority of a club employee but apparently with the remuneration of an outside and unaffiliated agent. Why? If he were a club employee I would have reservations based on the litany of alleged crimes as well as other sketchy behaviour that has been widely reported, but right now our relationship with Bayat is structurally flawed and that is part of what leads to bad outcomes. I know you’ve raised the fair point that in recent year’s Bayat’s transfers have been just as hit and miss as the non-Bayat transfers and it’s a point I am open to. But that’s not really the relevant comparison. We should be ditching Bayat and Giaretta and getting a good independent DoF with a reputation throughout the game for spotting gems. The relevant comparison is to Udinese (who have far outperformed us on and off the pitch with their recruitment in recent years, on a lesser budget) under the stewardship of Marino or even someone like Palace with Dougie Freedman. That’s what our recruitment could so easily be (given the club’s stature, location, access to revenue) if the recruitment structures were structured differently.
Presumably whatever Giaretta does, Gino thinks it adds value or he wouldn’t employ him ? I’m not concerned that Bayat seems to have a key role but isn’t an employee. I have fellow directors in our business who aren’t employees and also perform services for other non competing businesses. It would be interesting to see where responsibilities lie in the Watford structure and just what Bayat does to earn his fee. No reason for Gino to tell us though, if he doesn’t want to.
Do you pay your director £5m-£10m fees a year as part of an expense item total far out of line with your peers while simultaneously running a £20m loss? Is your director facing charges of money laundering and fraud? I have no idea why you consistently defend the indefensible given the state of our football club.
I'm sure he does add value for Gino (and God knows who else). What is clear, and has been clear for a while, is that Gino isn't acting with the best interests of the club in mind. What's good for Gino is not necessarily good for us anymore.
People need to stop giving Mogi such a hard time and get behind the boys! We all (including Mogi) want the same thing... promotion! Robbie Edwards Mogi made army!
I don’t know how people can excuse Bayat being given a role in transferring Samir from Udinese to Watford. He isn’t Samir’s agent and dozens of players have already changed hands via that route over the years (“it’s all the same pot” etc.) Why involve him at all unless it’s just an excuse to give him yet another commission fee? If that is the reason, why are we creating these artificial payment opportunities for him on top of the millions already funnelled his way? The whole thing stinks and should make fans very, very nervous. The bloke is already under criminal investigation and we are integrating him closer and closer at a time anyone with any sense would be distancing themselves or cutting ties altogether
This is precisely the point people keep missing, tying themselves in knots saying “but why would Gino use him if it wasn’t worth his while”. All you need to do is take your yellow tinted specs off and it becomes very clear. If indeed Mogi did broker the Samir deal then seriously, how many times do people need to be hit over the head with it before it sinks in?
No and no. I was simply stating the fact he's not an employee but is heavily involved in the club isn't itself an issue. I don't remember ever saying his fees were reasonable or that the legal/fraud issues aren't a problem ? I have said that presumably Gino thinks he gets value for money or he wouldn't use him, but of course Gino could be wrong or there could be something he contributes that we can't see from the outside ?
There's a pretty big overlap though ! Generally something that is bad for the club will reduce the value of Gino's asset.
I’m sure there is a reason Pozzo thinks Bayat is of benefit. It doesn’t seem to benefit our football club given our accounts, playing roster and on field performance so one can only assume it is for other reasons as you say not visible to us. Either that or Pozzo is incompetent.