Mogi Bayat

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Burnsy, May 17, 2022.

  1. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    That's actually really interesting - we've hardly signed any of his players at all in the grand scheme of things.

    How many other clubs use agents, I wonder? In any legal deal, for example, the fact that other side has a lawyer representing their interests doesn't mean you don't need your own lawyer too, so there's definitely a logical basis for it (specialized knowledge from someone representing your interests). Are we particularly unique in that regard, though? And if so, is it a pointless exercise or are we just ahead of the game, like clubs who started employing set piece coaches/analysts?
     
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  2. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    No, it's very common for clubs to use their own agent to represent them/their interests in transfer negotiations.
     
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  3. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Yeah seems like it's standard practice in the world of football for the agents to wear multiple hats. It seems more unusual for Mogi Bayat to only act for the club and not the player as well.

    Edit. Didn't read your post properly! But having looked at some of the raw data through one of those hyperlinks in the blog, there aren't that many examples where an agent is working just for the club. It's not unique but also not the norm. Granted I only looked at one year and got bored of scrolling so maybe some clubs do it more than others.
     
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  4. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I suspect if the club were asked at the fan committee, then they will use the reasoning of many clubs using third party agents on deals etc.

    I do not begrudge them that reasoning.

    The bigger, and indeed simpler, questions are:

    1. Why is MB being almost exclusively used?

    2. Why are the costs so high in WFC’s case when compared with everyone else outside of the Top 6?

    3. Why are the club so comfortable having this guy so close to the club/owner/inner workings? They must be aware of the stories, allegations and charges that have followed him.

    4. Has due-diligence been done on the man himself?
     
  5. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    As much as I think everyone of those is fair to be asked, do you really think any of the committee would be allowed to ask them? Even if they did, they would probably get brushed off with some well disguised fob off. Still, valid questions as I said, and they deserve to be answered.
     
  6. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Well, Ucko said in his YouTube thing he’d ask.

    And I’ve had a fair bit of chat with someone else involved and they have assured me it’s top of their priorities to ask and not be fobbed off.

    But let’s see. I don’t think we are wrong to be sceptical either.
     
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  7. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    How wonderful that given the season we have just had, the garbage players shipped in who don’t contribute, the agent fees paid and given Bayat’s legal issues we have fans who stroke their chins and wonder if we are “ahead of the game”.
     
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  8. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Think the other point that's raised is pertinent too. Why does he only work for us? Is it an exclusivity thing, does he have an undisclosed formal position at the club or are we the only people prepared to touch him with a bargepole?
     
  9. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    Where there is money there is corruption, only the incompetent or the too greedy get caught.
     
  10. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Tayab Igom.

    Omg bait Ya !

    Go Bay mait for all the plumbers on here.

    See you in court.
     
  11. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    We're certainly playing poker here.
     
  12. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    No doubt the next committee meetings will see the club represented by the medical team, then the catering team, then the ground staff.....none of whom will be competent to comment on such matters.
     
  13. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Justworkedouthowtochange

    Late to the party , but that was a very weird documentary (in case anybody not seen Netflix - don’t f*** with cats)
     
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  14. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Disturbing but very good. Try the Night Stalker also on Netflix.
     
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  15. hornmeister

    hornmeister Tired

    I blame Gino. Shouldn't have fed Mogi after midnight.
     
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  16. WalthamstowHornet

    WalthamstowHornet Academy Graduate

    Genuinely can we arrange for a F*** off Mogi Bayat banner for Monday?
     
  17. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    I look forward to the bemused looks of 75% of those in the SGT as they wonder "what the hell is Mogi Bayat?"
     
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  18. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Can we add Gino Pozzo to the banner as well?
     
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  19. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

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  20. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

  21. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

  22. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    The 1881 wouldn’t ever do that, they wouldn’t want to harm their place on the Committee or any of the perks they get from being gladhanded shills.
     
  23. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

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  24. hjw

    hjw Reservist

    Before or after Dennis scores?
     
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  25. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    Then we're just stupid to use him rather than accessories to any subsequently proven claims of wrongdoing.

    Great.
     
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  26. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Well that depends on if you think his hit rate is worse, better or similar to players we sign without him. I'd personally wager they're pretty similar, hence why I'm not massively arsed, as long as it's not proven he's doing anything illegal that we're implicated in.
     
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  27. LeedsOrn

    LeedsOrn Reservist

    The issue isn’t just the players (at least not for me). Often he’s not really providing his clients but brokering deals for us (who may be club targets). We could sign the same players and pay half as much in agent fees. Does Bayat really create millions of pounds of value to justify his agent fees. Do we need to pay him say £500,000 to help broker Samir’s move from Udinese? Why?

    I do think as well that structurally relying on one external agent to broker deals is a bad idea that almost always ends badly.
     
  28. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    It certainly feels worse!
     
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  29. IRB

    IRB THe artist formally know as ImRonBurgundy?

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  30. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    But we don't have the inside track on that? Could we sign the same players, with no fee, or do these players trust Bayat (for whatever reason), and he uses his influence to get them here? Maybe, I don't know.

    We paid him £500k for the Samir deal?
     
  31. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    If your company hired a freelancer who then got arrested for something connected the same line as work as they do what would your company do about the relationship with the freelancer? Would they continue as normal, suspend it until after the investigation has run its course or would they just cut all ties with them?
     
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  32. LeedsOrn

    LeedsOrn Reservist

    No but we paid £12m in agent fees through 2021 -the seventh highest amount in English football and by far the highest as a proportion of transfer fees. And the schedule of deals showed that Bayat was involved in the vast majority of deals. So surely fairly safe to say he’s pulling in the majority of that cash which is a vast amount.

    Also, why would we need Bayat to sell the Watford move to Samir and why would Samir trust Bayat over his DoF, manager or owner? Bayat had no prior relationship with Samir and does not operate either in his country of birth or in Italy, where he was playing.

    I recognise that Bayat clients or players playing in his markets or for his clubs or in countries he operates in (Dennis, Louza, Bayo, Kayembe) would certainly value his opinion yes. Samir, less so.
     
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  33. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    I'd saying he's making decent money, yeah. And I don't think we got massively good value out of him, although selling Dennis for over £20m would probably justify his contribution in an overall poor year.

    I don't know, how much are we paying him to do so? Has he taken the role of the bloke who would usually have those discussions?
     
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  34. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Where the hell is Giaretta in all this if Bayat is front and centre? Just spying on the manager for Pozzo. Utter waste of resource.
     
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  35. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Again, how could you reach that view unless you were just bloody mindedly trying to argue for the sake of it.

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