Elective Caesareans

Don't really approve of them.

As something of an amateur gynaecologist myself, I think it's not natural and messes the body up. During the natural birth process, there are all sorts of hormones released, trapdoors opened and pullies activated. You're not going to get those natural bodily processes with cesarean. Not at their proper, natural full capacity anyway. I expect that's why half these kids these days are allergic to nuts and wheat and dust and most of the rest of everyday life. Got no antibodies in 'em. Got no resistance.

Also it must be a bit traumatic for the baby too. A bit stressful. They come out when they're ready, not according to some surgeon's schedule. It's unnatural.

In some cases, where there are problems, of course do cesareans. But where they're "too posh to push" and cowardly because they don't fancy a bit of pain - those ones should be told to get on with it in my opinion. Women have been doing it for thousands of years, why do you think you should be excused?

You've got gas and air, bloody birthing pools, a whole team of professional midwives and nurses running after you, your Take That music tape playing and all the rest of it, but you STILL don't think you can manage to do what women in the developing world do at the side of a dusty road before getting back to cutting sugar cane.

Well, the reason for this rant is I read that the NHS has been told to stop 'encouraging' natural births and instead offer up a menu to mums - "what would you like? Natural and a bit painful or synthetic?"

Then of course, once the disection has been completed at a time that fits in with mum's busy schedule, there's the question of breast feeding. "What would you like? Natural and a bit painful at first, or synthetic out of a tin?"

Our Cifriana had all three of ours naturally and breast fed all three for about a year.

 

‘Amateur gynaecologist’!

 

You don’t think women have the right to choose medical treatments then?

I thought you believed in equality?

 

It’s reassuring to know that the general population are so clued up with complex medical knowledge should I ever fall ill in public.

 

It's a brave (or stupid) man who tells a pregnant what she can or can't do.

 

Just out of interest, where did you read this? I've done some searching and can't find anything relevant.

 

I’d rephrase that to ‘It takes a stupid man to tell any woman what they should do with their body’

 

My aunt had 6 kids, 3 of which were delivered by caesarean because of complications.

After the 3rd one the gynecologist threatend to put a zip in rather than sew her up.

 

Good point, infant mortality is famously good in developing nations.

 

Do you feel it’s likely that you, personally, will need maternity care?

 

Aren’t most elective caesareans for women who will have complications or had a complication last time and an emergency caesarean?

 

Well as I’m sure Clive will tell you doctors learn a lot before they choose a specific area of medicine. I reckon a dentist would know how to apply a tourniquet and put me in the recovery position.

 

I, for one, can never get enough of us men telling women what to do with their bodies in the year 2022.

 

And maternal mortality, for that matter.

 

Don't worry, Joe Public will be there make sure no one gives you the dreaded vaxx as you lie bleeding out in the street.

 

There aren’t many things get my back up quite as much as this kind of uninformed, arrogant misogyny.

And seeing as I’ve got a pregnant wife who has been told that an elective caesarean might be a good option based on a family history of complicated births, even with Clive’s caveat that caesarians can be necessary, it’s pushed a button for me and I’m quite disgusted by that utter tripe.

 

Great result yesterday

 

I think you misunderstand. It’s all about class.

 

Gotcha.

To be fair she had a pony as a kid and got taken on a foreign holiday every year. Defo too posh to push or breastfeed, both very straightforward options available to all.

 

True
But so would a paramedic or someone from SJA or even myself who is SJA trained .
I wouldn't trust myself with any sort of caesarian it is agreed

 

Nothing to do with the Leicester result then…

 

That might make an interesting forum fans poll or maybe another question to add to the next WFC email research : would you trust yourself to perform a cesarean section?

 

It only really becomes an issue for me if C sections cost the tax payer many times more, pose a greater risk to public health and are used when they aren’t deemed medically helpful.

But if I had to pass an orange out of my penis which could potentially rip skin between my arse, flood my system with **** and make me incontinent, then f*** the scar, the loss of ability to drive or pick up the baby and a hypothesised potential increase in susceptibility to allergies. Give me all the medication you’ve got and cut me open. Now.

 

He's a plumber usually.

 

The female human body has evolved over millions of years to efficiently deliver a baby. That is the miracle of life itself.

The male human foot has not evolved over millions of years to efficiently stand on an upturned plug.

I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions as to what is more painful.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society...-targets-caesarean-sections-hospitals-england

 

So they’re not pushing C-sections on women, they’ve scrapped some arbitrary targets in the interest of what’s best for mothers and babies.

 

I didn't say they were "pushing" C-sections, I said they were going to stop encouraging women to have natural births.

 

Well they’re hardly ‘offering a menu’ are they?

They’re not going to encourage vaginal delivery in cases when there could be an increased risk seeing as there may be evidence that that has happened purely because of a need to meet some arbitrary target.

I guess the NHS must be coining it in if they’re happy for women to choose to have a dangerous and invasive operation. I have two friends who’ve had C-sections in the last year and trust me, it’s not a pleasant, pain free alternative. Nothing ‘synthetic’ about their pregnancies, deliveries or what followed either.

 

Maybe the forum’s honorary designations, like ‘squad player’ or ‘first team captain’ could include ‘consultant obstetrician’?