Watford Fc 4-1 Manchester United - 20/11/2021

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by Otter, Nov 15, 2021.

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What will the result be

Poll closed Nov 21, 2021.
  1. Deeney penalty

    31.7%
  2. Micah Hyde 50/50 draw

    26.8%
  3. None of the above

    41.5%
  1. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    He is likeable, but the club certainly aren't and to be fair, a club with their history, status and ambition, with the money involved should not be having a part time coach with zero track record outside the Nordics running the show. It was as bizarre as us giving the reins to Xisco with £150m at stake.
     
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  2. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I still count out loud whenever the opposition keeper has it in his hands and then get apoplectic when he's not booked for taking more than 5 seconds.
     
  3. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    That reminds me of one of my bugbears, which is about the offside rule. An attacker in the middle can be deemed ‘not interfering with play’, but a full back way out on the wing can play everyone onside. The line should be the line and if you’re beyond it you’re offside.
     
  4. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    To be honest, I've never really come to terms with backpasses not being allowed and three points for a win.
     
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  5. Goal hanger

    Goal hanger Beyond Belief


    From BBC website after rule change:

    Players committing accidental fouls that deny a goalscoring chance are to be cautioned.

    So it was a yellow minimum.

    But deliberate fouls will still incur a red card.
    Those include holding, pulling or pushing, not playing the ball, serious foul play, violent conduct or deliberate handball in order to deny a goalscoring opportunity.

    Just a question of whether you consider throwing yourself in the back of a player a deliberate act or an accident. Either way, it was a card, so Moss got it wrong.
     
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  6. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Is that still a rule? Never seen that applied ever lol, all keepers needed to do was bounce the ball and they were safe lol
     
  7. onion8837

    onion8837 Reservist

    De Gea, Wan bissaka, maguire and Fernandes have all made garth crooks’ team of the week
     
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  8. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    Spurs sacked their manager as well, presumably them looking pretty ordinary against us despite winning 1-0 played a part!

    Seriously, I can't recall a previous Prem season that had so many sackings so early on.
     
  9. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    It didn’t deny us a goal scoring opportunity as Dennis immediately had a goal scoring opportunity which he put wide. Moss waited and gave the penalty when he missed.
     
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  10. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Or goal difference instead of goal average.
     
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  11. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    This. It was a yellow card offence.

    Unless he didn't deny a goalscoring opportunity - because it still fell for Dennis to scuff wide? So the goalscoring opportunity occurred, but there was no advantage so we got a free kick? Who'd be a ref?

    The encroachment... I think anyone should be allowed in the box. You just can't touch it or interfere if you encroach - or it gets retaken. Or if its missed and an encroaching defender clears its a retake. Not because somones foot is 1cm over the line on the other side of the box. Or just have everyone on the halfway line and no rebounds.
     
  12. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    I berate Foster regularly for not picking the ball up when a defender passes back to him. Stupid YouTuber.
     
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  13. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    BBC interpretation isn't quite correct, it's not that it's an accidental foul, it's that there was a genuine attempt to play the ball - Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offending player is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.

    There was no attempt by McTominay to play the ball as it was high up in the air. But that's probably what saved him, Moss has to take into account that King has to control that ball to have a clear sight of goal which was by no means easy. So not an obvious goal scoring opportunity.

    And after Moss plays the advantage, he can't come back and book him, that's the rule.

    So much as I think that Moss is normally useless, think he got this spot on.

    Thought Maguire's tackle on Cleverley should have been a straight red but not many referees would go further than the easy option of the second yellow.
     
  14. Goal hanger

    Goal hanger Beyond Belief

    Hmmm, maybe, but wasn’t that just him playing the advantage for a few seconds. If no advantage is gained within a few seconds, then play is stopped and the offence dealt with as if the continuation hadn’t happened. I’m guessing here, I’ve actually no idea.
     
  15. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    The only match I've left early was the Huddersfield home game in 2017/18 when they made it 4-1 going into injury time. I think I heard they nearly made it 5-1 when I was still in the ground!
     
  16. Eric IS Bananman

    Eric IS Bananman Academy Graduate

    If I was feeling particularly cruel, I'd put Sarr's goal as a Maguire own goal to compound his misery with the sending off, but Sarr needed that.
     
  17. Goal hanger

    Goal hanger Beyond Belief


    Law 12
    If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play. However, if the offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; if the offence was interfering with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned.

    Depends whether you consider it a goalscoring opportunity or not. Looked to me like King had chested the ball into his path when the contact came. I’d consider it a goalscoring chance. Put it this way, most would been disappointed had he missed had no foul been committed.
     
  18. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    I agree with the back passing bit.
     
  19. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Is this a joke o_O
     
  20. Goal hanger

    Goal hanger Beyond Belief

    You’ve got to love Dennis, he said it was a good win because we’ve got some important games coming up.
     
  21. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    Yesterday's game reminded me of the 4-1 over Chelsea in Gracia's first home game in that they went down to ten men and we scored two goals near the end, but this one felt better as while Chelsea were probably a better team (they'd won the league the previous year), they were down to ten longer and we didn't score until it was 11 vs 10, whereas yesterday we were already 2-0 up and looking easily the better side before the sending-off. Also expectations were pretty low going into this game (IIRC only one on here predicted a win, one or two others a draw) whereas I think there was some confidence we could get something against Chelsea with a recently appointed new manager.
     
  22. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    Maybe having CR as head coach is changing the media's perception of us?
     
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  23. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    Clipped together the major saves Foster made. Can't overstate for first time in ages how solid Foster was in goal.

    https://streamja.com/6WpMK
     
  24. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    If you watch the footage from behind ED as he knee slides towards the LGT - see if you can spot the Man U fans (clue: it's not difficult :))
     
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  25. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    You've just given Aidy Boothroyd an idea...
     
  26. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    The ones that stayed. The empty seats also may have been vacated by United Cockneys.

    There wasn't anyone with a cardboard "can I have your shirt CR7" placard was there?
     
  27. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    I'm sure it is. Everyone likes Claudio.
     
  28. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Absolutely, it was a brilliant finish, which probably not one of us anticipated!
     
  29. Mazzereth

    Mazzereth Academy Graduate

    Yeah, I just noticed that as well.
     
  30. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    I've mentioned/complained about this a few times in recent months, and Claudio's post-match interview is the antithesis - it's amazing to have a coach who can express what he is thinking and even just what he is actually trying to say - it's quite joyous to watch, and it genuinely makes you feel not only like you understand the direction the team is going in but that you are along for the ride in a way that is impossible when 'in this moment, we are work hard, amazing' five times in a row is the closest thing you get to communication.

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  31. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    Absolute Managerial Masterclass
    Everyone was exceptional
    It wasn't about how bad United were, more about how good we were
    7 more wins to go
     
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  32. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Just wait 'til we sack the lovable old pensioner though.
     
  33. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Ben is nearly always solid, although no GK is totally solid of course, so why are you guys so reluctant give the man the credit he deserves.
     
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  34. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    Yes. In fact, changes my perception of us.
     
  35. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Because he's been making big mistakes pretty much every game?
     

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