Welcome To Your New Captain

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by wfc4ever, Jul 28, 2023.

  1. inayellowshirt

    inayellowshirt From the other place

  2. Crezzy95

    Crezzy95 First Year Pro

    Crazy that he was given the armband in the first place. Give it Livermore till the end of the season...
     
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  3. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Indeed. A crezzy decision.
     
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  4. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    All very easy people on here criticising in hindsight, but IIRC it was greeted with unanimous favour when it was originally announced.
     
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  5. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    This bait is far too obvious. :D
     
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  6. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    How times change eh?

    Most were hoping Livermore wasn’t even going to play a part in the squad let alone be captain.
     
  7. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Livermore has by far been our best player as of late. He runs (as much as he can), marshals the midfield and becomes a last line of defence. Problem being, can he last a full 46 games season? I doubt it, but he has, rightly, earned the armband for now at least. Bachmann is too hot-headed to be captain, and apart from maybe Peter Schemicheal at Man Utd, goal keepers very rarely work out. I can understand why VI is subbing him in games, he's possibly the one to burn out first, but it does seem that whatever strength we did have in the middle of the park evaporates when he leaves the pitch.
     
  8. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    There have been loads of good keeper-captains. Shilton (and to a lesser extent Seaman, on the tail end of the same era), Buffon, Casillas, Neuer, Zoff, Combi, Lloris, Khan, Yashin...

    That's not to imply Bachmann is comparable, only pushing back against the suggestion that having a keeper as captain doesn't work. There have been plenty of very successful ones over the years. :)
     
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  9. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    It shouldn't be given to Livermore. It won't make a blind bit of difference to the way he plays or conducts himself, so use it where it will have an impact.

    Hoedt would be sensible, Andrews wouldn't be wild. A few sensitive souls might get upset about 'pressure' but he is an academy lad on a new long term deal, and playing in a team and a club that is on a major rebuild process that he is likely to be a mainstay of.

    Also, on a wider note, people generally get too hung up on captaincy anyway. Bachmann was a petulant child before he was skipper, anyone who thinks taking the armband off him will stop him being petulant is wrong in the same way anyone thinking it will make a blind bit of difference if Livermore wears it are wrong.
     
  10. Oscar calling

    Oscar calling Squad Player

    Zoff even won the World Cup as captain.
     
  11. J.B

    J.B First Team

    Absolutely no need for Ismael to bring Bachmann’s family into it like that.
     
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  12. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    What has he said?
     
  13. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

  14. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    Club and Coach have the perfect excuse to change a bad decision in naming Bachmann.
    The ref will always pick on a goalie charging upfield to contest a decision.

    They have a way out that saves face. Very telling about how they operate
     
  15. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Does anyone actually think Bachmann is going to be ditched as captain? I saw this more as a warning shot from Val rather than a definitive statement that he's being binned.
     
  16. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    Is that relating to the weird lad who knows everything about everything and everyone else is wrong? I saw he claimed four separate people at the club told him Bachmann would be out for months, and he subsequently played at Leicester.
     
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  17. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    That certainly narrows it down on the internet. :D
     
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  18. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    VI is entitled to his opinion but it's not OK to descend into outright abuse.
     
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  19. CarlosKickaballs

    CarlosKickaballs Forum Picarso

    He forgot the password to meridensi
     
  20. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    King Ken is the man for me
     
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  21. J.B

    J.B First Team

    He questioned Bachmann's suitability for the role of captain. As we know from the summer, that equates to personal abuse related to his family and Ismael can expect to be blocked by Bachmann on social media any second now.
     
  22. Cassetti's Beard.

    Cassetti's Beard. Academy Graduate

    Only took VI 6 months to realise what most of the fans knew.
     
  23. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    We might as well keep it as Hoedt going forwards. He had another good game today.
     
  24. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    Is Dan back next game?
     
  25. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Available yes. 1 game ban.
     
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  26. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    I have to say I'll be glad if Bachmann gets straight back in as Harmer was not good last night.

    However, we really need to bring in another GK ASAP, because none of our current keepers are good enough to be a No1 choice. Harman is not even good enough to be a backup keeper and Bachmann could definitely be improved on as a No1 choice, though he is good enough to be a backup keeper.
     
  27. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    We also had three seasons of evidence week in, week out. I’d rather a man make a mistake and then recognise it to be honest. Not sure there were any outstanding candidates for captaincy when Val arrived.
     
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  28. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Give Ismael/Bachmann a break!
     
  29. Lubaduck

    Lubaduck First Year Pro

    Agreed .
    We have a no.2 as first choice
    And a no.3 in goal last night
     
  30. Cassetti's Beard.

    Cassetti's Beard. Academy Graduate

    Yeah, no one really stands out, I guess the obvious based on the last couple of performances would be Livermore. Maybe Hoedt or Sema as they play often.
     
  31. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    Yeah I think Livermore now definitely does, Hoedt seems to have shown increased levels of maturity too that may not have been immediately obvious in the summer. I think Ismael probably regrets giving it to Bachmann but at that point in the summer, not sure there were many options! (I wanted it on Porteous and how wrong was I!)
     
  32. K9 Hornet

    K9 Hornet Border Collie Dog

    Fair enough, but who do you think should be Captain?
     
  33. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    :p
     
  34. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    I'm quite surprised VI wants a captain at all, isn't he French?

    Let's have some egalite and a republic in the dressing room instead.

    Vive la revolution!
     
  35. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

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