Just leave him be. It says a lot about him that he seems to have spent most of his Sunday afternoon posting on a Watford fans forum.
Well said. I will take my own advice and not give him the 'oxygen of publicity'. Off to enjoy myself elsewhere. Bye ...
Sannino quit to return to Italy. McKinlay departed as he wasn't ever the man for the job, was offered his old role and said no with a nice payoff. There isn't much shoddiness in there. Ah yes, the accusations of Forestieri diving. Which of course, were never proved. The comical criticism of Fabbrini's dive at Reading, refuted by the player that fouled him, now we move onto Deeney - clearly a foul yet dismissed as a 'cheat' then 'unsporting' because he felt it was a penalty Say you are right for a second. Exactly why should we be the moral compass of the division? Everyone else indulges in the 'dark arts' and we have countless examples of cheating against us - Bournemouth last season being the standout event. Why shouldn't we 'join them'? I don't believe we have by the way.
Out of interest in what way is it ever 'proved' in your eyes? He was sent off for it. That's a pretty good red flag.
Credit to you for wearing Yellow/Pozzo tinted glasses - and why not? The Pozzos have been an incredible slice of fortune for the club. But to suggest that Sannino simply left after such a good run of results is (in your words) ludicrous and laughable. You'll never convince me that McKinlay was anything other than publicly humiliated and you didn't mention Dyche, so I assume you at least agree with me on that score. As for FF's diving - are you taking the pi*s?? I hate cheating in all forms - but I'm not one of those people who get up in arms only when we're the victims of it.
I have some sympathy with Molly's views, and equally Going Down's. I think on a humanitarian level, Dyche and McKinlay were treated harshly. But football's a business, both got decent compensation, and Dyche bounced almost straight back with another job, a promotion and a chance to manage in the PL. I hope McKinlay gets another chance somewhere soon too. I think one or two of our players have, how can we put it, brought a continental approach to this country at first in terms of the way they behave on the pitch and try to win us free kicks. But as they are continentals, that's hardly surprising. I've always believed it's up to the refs to spot such things anyway, that's why we pay them to officiate. Although I was sad about the humanity side of how we treated BM, and a bit ashamed, I did feel too that we'd look back in May and respect the Pozzos for their harsh but brave decision..and nothing that's happened so far under SJ has changed my mind on that.
Ah, the argument ending accusation of 'wearing Pozzo tinted glasses' if I don't agree with your negative views and conspiracy theories. I didn't mention Dyche as the Pozzo's quite rightly wanted their own man. Their call when they buy the club. Carry on with your negativity. I'll sooner get behind the club who's 'cheat' players contribute to fan led memorial tributes. Owners who don't sell our best players, build us new stands and infrastructure and sit in front of the fans and explain the decisions they make. Oh yeah, while we sit top of the league. But if it all goes wrong and everything falls apart, the Pozzo's sell up to Ken Bates and we appoint Richard Money as manager - you can say 'I told you so'. But like with anybody who throws negativity around, you will hope it'll be forgotten in all of the joy of success.
I suppose we're two very different fans. You want club success at any cost, I like to see the club show loyalty, even if that means bumming around mid-table/lower leagues. You want the team to win, even if it takes a 90+5 mins blatant dive for a penalty - I'd rather see players show each other respect and play within the spirit of the game, even if that means a loss. I'm sorry if that comes over as negativity - but you come over as plastic and glory hunting.
I've watched it again, and i don't see it as cheating. deeney was making a valid attempt to get the ball, if he did foul their chap (which i don't think he did) then it certainly wasn't out of malice.
I think history will show that the Pozzo's are the best thing that has ever happened to this club. Well certainly the best thing since the ownership of Elton John. Without them, we would be in League One by now, I'm certain of it. The model they operate under is ingenious and a club like Watford can only be realistically be successful if they find a different way.Which the Pozzo's have certainly provided. But mistakes will be made along the way. It's inevitable, as football is not a pure science. It's all about opinions. I did not agree with the sacking of Dyche, and still don't, but I totally understand it. He was quite new to management and the Pozzo's wanted to work with someone they could relate to. Zola was an obvious choice, especially when Duxbury and Nani were involved with the day-to-day running of the club. They have made one or two smaller errors over signings, but then no club ever gets it right every time, so that is again understandable and excusable. What I cannot understand is the thought process behind the permanent appointment of McKinley. This, for me, is the first and only, inexcusable action from the owners. Once again I will underline they are brilliant owners, but they really got it wrong here. Having said that, if you analyse it more closely, the only thing they got wrong was giving McKinley the job on a permanent basis. Had they offered him a caretaker role, then everything would have been rosy. He would have accepted that responsibility gladly until such time Jokanovic was appointed. He would have then gone back into the coaching role we originally appointed him for without a loss of reputation and he would have still kept his role with NI as well. All around no one was really the winner here. Watford paid out a year's salary to a guy they employed for just 8 days, plus they also lost a very highly respected coach into the bargain. McKinley lost a bit of credibility as a coach and lost his job with NI. It was a rash thing that happened, but everyone makes mistakes.....even the Pozzo's. I believe the right decision was made eventually. Jokanovic looks like he's a fine head coach and Watford will (hopefully) be very successful this season under his guidance.
Really enjoying the master class in the Millwalleese language from Eclipsed on this thread. Especially liked the "bash the granny" phrase which I'll give to my class of social sciences post-grads to analyse next week. You fellows will get absolutely nowhere speaking Oxford English to this type of guttersnipe you know. He'll barely understand a word. You have to talk to him in the sort of grunting primitive dialect that he's used to and can comprehend. Look I'll show you: {hitches up trousers at knees} OI! OI! Me ol' sponge an' custard. watcherlookin' at EH? 'Ave a banana. That aint racialistic by the way, but yer not even allowed to shout banana these days let alone chuck 'em are ye? I tell yer, that Nick Griffin was a bleedin' sell art mate. Wants a bleedin' doner kebabin' if yer asks me. Get orf me sister. There
None of my posts indicate that at all. You are mistaking me not agreeing with you that our team is a bunch of cheats and that our owners are evil as me endorsing those things. That alone shows where you believe you stand. Above us all. As for calling other supporters plastic and glory hunting because they don't agree with you? What a bizarre thing to say.
( re Hornetboy's post) Wise words as ever. Although they don't have 'caretaker bosses' in Italy, you'd have hoped the Pozzos knew enough about England to know we do here. One thing though..we assume BM would have been happy reverting to Number 2, and we assume SJ would have worked well with him, but that's assumption surely?
Maybe an assumption, but one based on reason. SJ has come in and inherited all the staff. He's not brought one person in with him. The Pozzo's did offer BM the number 2 role so it was something they wanted to happen. It would appear evident that SJ would have been happy to have BM involved, as he's been content to work with all the people that the Pozzo's have provided so far. I think SJ really wanted the Watford job and he would have accepted any staffing appointment the Pozzo's made prior to his appointment.
I'm so sorry, I must have confused you with another poster called GoingDown who advocates joining other teams in employing the 'dark arts', refuses to admit that FF was guilty as sin of diving and thinks it's ok that the Pozzos sacked Dyche, McKinlay and (to all intents and purposes) Sannino despite their contributions to WFC, because after all - success is all that matters.
So seeing as the club replaced McKinlay after 8 days, a ruthless move with the intention of getting the club promotion at any cost, I take it you won't be celebrating if we do go up? You may as well stop going now because these owners are staying and look like they will do anything to get this club success on the pitch. It's a shame that you still want to pick holes in the running of the club and brand the club captain a cheat during what could be one of the best seasons this club has ever had. And I don't have Pozzo-tinted glasses, I honestly don't think they have done anything whatsoever to make me criticise or distrust them. Just look at the club on and off the pitch, it's fantastic.
Yes sure. I don't think your assumptions are bad. I was just putting it out there that maybe BM might have so enjoyed being Number One, albeit very temporarily, he might have got 'itchy feet' going back to Number 2..and that as he had been brought to Watford by Oscar Garcia, he might not have worked as well with a Serbian manager (I assume) he'd never met before SJ arrived? It's most probable he and SJ could have developed into a very good management team, with the all important British coach/experience of the Championship many yearned for (though you don't hear mentioned so much when, like now, we are winning matches!) but we will never know!
I think a British coach would be beneficial, but it's probably on hold right now. If it's working as it is, then why introduce another coach. It's probably a good time to let the dust settle, get some stability, then further down the line if a British coach is necessary, we'll get one then. Let's be honest, the Pozzo's don't seem to have any problem in attracting staff.
Really Kelso? You always seem pretty level headed on here. I know he's annoying but let's not stoop to the level of a Milwall forum with our insults.
Ok, read my previous post(s) where I retract my accusations of cheating and instead called the incident 'unsporting'. You've nicely summed up my dilemma as a Watford fan - of course I support the team and the current manager, and want to see them do well - and I am eternally grateful to the Pozzo family for their intervention that basically saved WFC from oblivion. On the other hand, some really good people have been treated awfully by the club in their determination to succeed and that sits really awkwardly with me. Some on here don't share my dilemma, happily for them - but I don't think I deserve such hostility for expressing these thoughts.
I've tried to be objective, but I think you're on something. Deeney went for the ball, using his shoulder against the defender's shoulder. That's within the rules according to how I was taught to play the game. I'm usually quite rational and fair about calling things as they are, but I don't think you have a case here. Deeney won the ball, the defender was caught off balance and resorted to a foul to save a goal. I don't think it was a penalty either, because the foul was started outside the box.
Read my post again for gods sake. I enquired as to why we should be the moral compass of the division. If that's advocating it in your eyes, I have no idea what more I can say. It is like arguing with a conspiracy theorist. No matter what I say, you will simply twist words and don your foil hat whilst having your fingers in your ears. Bottom line and end of discussion is you think we have cheating players and evil owners, I don't.
Back on subject - the more I see Munari's goal, the more I love it. Ultimate skill and control to keep the ball down and not blast it wide or over. What a player he is.
I have to admit I see where molly's coming from. When I saw the incident again last night I thought we were fortunate to get, rather than concede, a free kick. That said, there's no point arguing about it & there's no point Holloway throwing his toys out of the pram over it. He'd be better off using that energy to improve the way his team defends against set pieces.
Fair point. But as Clive has said too, there's really no point in trying to deal with these trolls rationally. I just saw everyone else doing that so decided instead to be blunt and anglo-saxon on this occasion. He wasn't annoying me as in getting to me, just that his presence and attitude were disrupting our usual discussions. We often have interventions from the opposition on here which are welcome and interesting. This wasn't one of those occasions. And he does seem to be notable by his absence now.
Isn't that odd? Talking to you, I've been feeling like those parents confronting that toddler with chocolate smeared all round its face... Probably best for the good of the thread that we talk about Munari's goal. I loved it and have watched it even more often than the cheating Deeney incident. One of my all time favourite goals - I can just imagine the sheer joy of smashing that ball home....
