Wasn't it Boro that we beat at The Vic near the end of the season, I think with two goals including the Deeney one where he converted Guedioura's Beckham-esque early cross in from the right?
Only 20% of relegated teams finish in the auto promotion places the following season per that 10 year summary I shared. I'm sure all relegated teams hope to go straight back up but adapting is tougher than it looks and it tends to be the bigger cash-rich clubs who manage it with the smaller clubs like Ipswich, Wigan, Bolton, Stoke, Reading, Huddersfield, Cardiff, QPR, Swansea, Charlton, Hull etc not managing it......
Yes QPR didn't the second time they were relegated but I guess the 2 instances you refer to are part of the 20%......
I can't find that footage of Warnock's reactions as the goals go in when we beat Leeds 1-6. Anybody help?
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to correct you, just providing an update for those that hadn't seen the news.
Think Watford have a good record against Warnock sides, seem to remember him once calling Watford the best team outside of the top 6 season before last. Some notable wins when he was manager at Cardiff and at Leeds. So on that basis Watford 0 - Middlesbrough 6
I can’t stand Warnock, always berating the officials whilst his team of cloggers go around kicking people. Then there’s the inevitable post match ‘I don’t want to blame the officials...but’
I think they need to be looked at in context though. Hull and Swansea - both made very little effort to get promoted, and had owners whose ambitions seemed to be to asset strip the club rather than to rebuild. Swansea have done a decent job on the back of canny loan signings while Hull have utterly imploded. Huddersfield Aside from sticking with a dreadful manager, their owners pretty much admitted they hadn't enjoyed the premier league and were quite happy in the championship. Stoke - Stoke's squad had become both woeful and quite old by the end of their PL stay, and there were reports of a lot of bad apples in the dressing room. Instead of trying to start afresh, they built around said old, expensive players like We seem to be following more what West Brom did, which is to have a bit of a clear out and drop the older expensive players for younger, hungrier ones so that even if you don't make it up at the first time of asking you arent totally ****ed like Stoke have been with expensive average players with no resale value.
20% over 10 years.... Or are you trying to justify the 80% in 10 years by the above quotes ? We sound just like Stoke....
Not sure I agree with your comments regarding Stoke. They had a core of ‘decent’ prem players like Fletcher, Indi, Shawcross, Choupo-Moting (now at PSG), Shaqiri, Diouff. Like us they sold off the players with decent resale and kept the rest. I’d say they’re quite similar to us, I hope for a different outcome obviously.
There's another saying: 'Sometimes doimg your best isn't enough. Sometimes you have to do what is required'
Going to be a very tough game. On paper do we have the better team, yes. We all know how Warnock will play, but my biggest concern is the ability to bully them. We have the superior team when it comes to technique. They have the superior team strength wise. Fear that the likes of Quina, Dele-Bashiru, Estupinan will get bullied off and on the ball. Might be worth bringing on Dan Phillips if we’re being bullied, just so he can kick a few of their players around. I will say that confidence seems very high in our camp, which is so refreshing to see and hear. The players seem to have brought into Ivic’s system and want to play for him. If we score first then i think we gone on to win the game. Concede first and it will be interesting to see how the players respond. Would like to see Foster Kaba Dawson Wilmot Ngakia Chalobah Cleverley Estupinan Sarr Suarez Quina Bench: Bachmann, Cathcart, Phillips, Dele-Bashiru, Pedro, Gray, Murray Watford 3-1 Boro
They got very little resale money other than for Shaquiri, who went for 12m and was by far their best player. Their only other departures were Sobhi for £5m, Muniesa for £4m and Lee Grant for £1m. I disagree about those players to be honest Fletcher had been a good prem player, but was way past his best when they picked him up which is why he retired 2 years later. Shawcross was younger, but again looks nothing like the player who got into the England squad. The torrid time he has had with injuries and age have really caught up with him. Diouf was a 30 year old centre forward who has averaged a goal every 400 minutes. I also don't think anyone was more baffled than Stoke fans that Choupo-Moting ended up at PSG. Shaqiri was a very good player, but they got relative penuts for him due to his buy out clause.
Good luck to the new manager and our young team, but I'll start taking a real interest when we can actually go to games in full stadiums again. Watching football on TV with fake crowd noise has no appeal at all.
Not gracious, just saying that if we want to be champs or runners up, that would be what we would need to be looking for after 10 games. (6 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses)
Excited for the first of many routine wins against a non-entity northern club with a clogger for a manager. If we’re serious about being best of the rest, this is the sort of game you’d expect us to stroll through.
Looking forward to this. Bloody love football. We'll be fine in this game and we'll get what we need from it.
Sadly I didn't see that game, but I remember being pleased as punch at full time. Unquestionably the biggest result of the season (we'd have gone up with a draw in the end, but we weren't to know that with how tight the table was and the form of the teams around us) and we finally got a win against a promotion rival when it really mattered, our only two other wins both coming against Brentford. Funnily enough that game got a somewhat critical report from CliveoftheKremlin, who's normally one of the more positive supporters round here.
1-1. We will take the lead and then they will be launching balls and long throw-ins into our box for fun, until one of them goes in
Think we'll lose this, which will be a much needed reality check. 2 points from the first four games, before a more settled/finalised squad does pretty well and finishes 4th. If we keep Capoue, Sarr, Suarez and Estupian you can change that to top!
