Valerien Ismael Out

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by wfcwarehouse, May 9, 2023.

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When will Ismael be sacked?

  1. July

    5 vote(s)
    9.1%
  2. August

    3 vote(s)
    5.5%
  3. September

    4 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. October

    22 vote(s)
    40.0%
  5. November

    17 vote(s)
    30.9%
  6. December

    2 vote(s)
    3.6%
  7. 2024 (hahahahaha)

    2 vote(s)
    3.6%
  1. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    Just getting this ready for a couple of months time.
     
  2. wfchursty

    wfchursty Academy Graduate

    Couple of months is optimistic

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  3. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I think he assumes he will only be appointed in 5 weeks time.
     
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  4. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Why am I getting "Moby D!ck" vibes with the name Ismael?
     
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  5. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Ismeal a rat
     
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  6. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

     
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  7. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I keep thinking of Sparks. Ismael Russell Mael or Ron Mael?
     
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  8. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    This town ain't big enough for the both of us.
     
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  9. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Very quick. You beat the clock
     
  10. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    And it ain’t me who’s gonna leave.
     
  11. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    Let’s goooo
     
  12. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    No points, not even bothered to turn up at the ground yet to train with the players. football and manager skill is approx. invisible so far. Get rid.
     
  13. BeersThen

    BeersThen Reservist

    Watch him applaud the WBA fans and ignore us when we play at the Hawthorns next season
     
  14. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    People are making predictions on when Ismael will be sacked. Of course it's a valid topic with Watford, however, I don't think he will be, unless we are in serious trouble of relegation.

    The reason I say this, is because for the first time under the Pozzo ownership, we'll be signing players for a particular manager, instead of a coach coming in and working with what he's got. We've never done that before, as his style is so defined and radical, it needs a certain type of player to work it, which we don't have, even in small quantities.

    So, the investment in playing staff for IV will be so vast (not financially, but numerically), that only a real car crash of a season would derail him (IMO).

    Ismael is Manga's man, and that will become clear after the interview with AF today, so any doubts, or rumour spreading that it's Pozzo making the appointment over Manga, is unfounded.

    So I believe we will sign a lot of players to suit Ismael's style, and we'll be so invested in him at that point, it forces the board to be patient with the manager.

    Of course that's all supposition on my part. They hierarchy may not change their ways and sign who they like with little regard to the team, but I just don't think it will be like this. Manga will not tolerate it. Already, he's gone on record as saying, if the board interfere with how he does things, he'll clear his desk and walk (or words to that effect).

    So I'm intrigued and a little excited as to how this is going to go.
     
  15. K9 Hornet

    K9 Hornet Border Collie Dog

    You have more faith than I do HB1. I don't believe Pozzo is capable of doing anything other than player trading as he sees fit so wouldn't be surprised if Manga left during the season.
     
  16. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    I agree, Pozzo has a lot to prove, but thinking this through logically, I believe he will let Manga get on with it.....for now at least. The test will be if things start badly, then I'm not convinced he wouldn't get involved at that point. How long he gives VI is also another thing to watch out for too. But I suspect if Gino interferes with Manga's way of working and his decision making, he would resign. This is the area I'll be looking at. If we see rumblings of Manga discontent, this is when I will start to be very concerned.
     
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  17. Bubble

    Bubble Wise Oracle

    Depends when we play them. If it's not before the first international break we will never know......
     
  18. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I think Pozzo will intend to do this. However if after 10 games we are in the bottom 6, irrespective of what playing staff he has been given, he will be gone.
     
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  19. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

    Bump

    Sack him now!
     
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  20. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    Gone by the end of October.
     
  21. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Yes, I’ve given him my unconditional support until now but we’ve reached the point where he needs to go.
     
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  22. DaveWFC

    DaveWFC Five Star Man

    Still without a win. Hate to say it, but he's had his chance.

    Gone by Monday, I reckon.
     
  23. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    He WasN't tHE rigHt fiT.
     
  24. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    Is he still here?
     
  25. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Don’t forget we’re only the right manager away from being Brighton.
     
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  26. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    True, but I cannot see Watford fans' wanting Graham Potter to come in. Probably due to the laughing stock of the Harry Potter buses last season going to the Derby game.
     
  27. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    Best of the rest
     
  28. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    23rd in the table already. Awful.
     
  29. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    I want to believe he’s going to do well, and at least we’ve made some encouraging moves to remove the deadwood accumulated over the past 5 years, but it’s really hard to muster any enthusiasm because I can’t see VI being given any meaningful time to build something that gets him past Christmas.
     
  30. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    He's utter shyte.
     
  31. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Well argued, but we're still waiting for the influx of talented but under-rated newcomers. Could mean we actually give our Academy players a chance, though - well, those that haven't been poached by bigger clubs.
     
  32. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    We’ll have a far worse team this season compared to last season, and last season three different managers couldn’t get a tune out of a better team, with one of them going on to get another side promoted.

    If he gets us in the play off spots or better he’ll be a genius, if he doesn’t he still won’t be a bad manager, but he’ll still be sacked by October.
     
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  33. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    The time the manager gets will be the biggest indicator of whether Pozzo has realised his mistakes and is open to change. Unless we are in serious danger of bottom 3, then sacking Ismael at any point would be unforgivable given the poor squad Pozzo and his cronies have left him with. A 12th place finish would be a decent managerial accomplishment.
     
  34. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    A few of the more credited football sites have been doing their final predictions for the coming season. For us in particular, midtable seems the bench mark. With the squad we have got, and the coffers empty, midtable would be a decent season. We don't (currently) have the squad to compete with the likes of PL return ticket clubs Leicester and Southampton and that is very unlikely to change in the next month.
     
  35. Leighton Buzzer

    Leighton Buzzer Reservist

    Interestingly, Benjamin Bloom has predicted that we will make the playoffs, he put us at 6th if I remember correctly.
    Everybody else though is as you say.
     

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