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Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by reg_varney, Jan 3, 2023.

  1. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Good call, I thought exactly the same about Marquez. “Conga del Fuego” is also good (can’t dance to classical music? Pah!).
     
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  2. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    That's an oxymoron. All classical music has a distinct beat/metre. There's nothing ancient and cobwebby about it either. That's a perception not a reality. There are current contemporary composers (admittedly some particularly over the last sixzty years are not to my taste either but their works are not for mass reception).However no one is going around to say sculptures by Scopas or Cellini are that, a Giotto fresco, or any old architectual structure. These works are some of the greatest creations of the human mind. They are the apex of musical creation in terms of sheer complexity in all the various parameters that govern music. We should if we had a decent education system particularly in respect of music teaching and playing be conscious of what the levels of complexity are and aspire to them. The masses are mired now in mediocrity and while in the past popular music aspired to genuine creativity and meaning in structure and lyrics, instrumentation it most of it now certainly on the popular radio stations is real drivel.

    JS Bach is a musical giant. His works indeed many others notably Bartok have an intrinsic mathematical structure. Indeed one cosmologist commented on sending the Goldberg Variations on the Voyager Golden Disc describing it along the terms of boasting to any aliens that may encounter the spacecraft of our intellectual greatness.



     
  3. If you want some great analysis of creative pop and rock music you should give Rick Beato a view on YouTube, especially his "What makes this song great?" series.

    Here's a sample
     
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  4. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Some key works for @Clive_ofthe_Kremlin:

    A revolution in the symphonic form the Eroica from who else but that giant Beethoven. A man of the people, profound in every way. As he said to those ignorant French officers when asked to play for them like some itinerant musician by his then patron Prince Lichnowsky he said rightfully so. There may be a thousand princes but there will only be one Beethoven.


    After the initial successes with the Ballet Russes and impresario Serge Diaghilev in Paris namely The Firebird and Petrouchka the young Igor Fyodorovich turned away from his Rimsky-Korsakov inspired orchestration and scoring into The Rite. The varying pounding rhythms laid the structure for the first time, the sound was deafening given the size of the orchestra and the choreography from the great Nijinsky was to contemporary eyes bizarre, angular, awkward.


    Olivier Messiaen a great organist and the most notable post war French composer used a variety of influences in this reflecting a trend from the start of the 20th century to incorporate all sorts of influences into scores. For him it included references to other composers, jazz scoring and the use not of the classical modes but classical Indian ones all linked by discrete themes, motifs and rhythms as structural blocks.

     
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  5. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    We musos have outed ourselves! I think this conversation is veering towards listing our favourite pieces rather than offering Clive a pathway in, though.
     
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  6. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Also, it’s nothing to do with the original thread!
     
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  7. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Maybe this should be in the thread about 'cover versions' , but The Nice included versions of Karelia on 'Ars Longa Vita Brevis' and on '5 Bridges'. And Renaissance's albums were full of fusions between classical and prog-rock styles.
     
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  8. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Are you going to try any of these suggestions, Clive?
     
  9. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Well in a round about way it has something.... We'll be discussing famous Koch's next. :oops:

     
  10. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member


    Questions on Philip Glass and a poor knowledge of Russo-Turkic relations. Shame for Ella she was the best player.
     
  11. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    I enjoyed the one where Tchaikovsky apparently wrote something to celebrate the tenth anniversary of the October revolution.
     
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  12. reg_varney

    reg_varney Squad Player

    I despair of today's generation of students. Tonight's Bristol team failed to recognise Jefferson Airplane (performing White Rabbit) in the Music Round. Fark me.





     
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  13. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    Even if they don’t know the original record it’s been in enough movies/ ads/ trailers
     
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  14. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    How good are you at identifying recordings issued more than a quarter of a century before you were born? Some certainly, others less likely.

    A song used on an ad or trailer isn't usually accompanied by a subtitle showing name of the song, performers and date of issue.

    The thing that stood out for me was the otherwise very knowledgeable guy who thought Studland Bay was in Lincolnshire!
     
  15. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Obviously hashish smoking has gone out of fashion. Pah! Kids today....
     
  16. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    They should've asked Alice...
     
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  17. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

     
  18. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    I thought he did his best stuff when lyrically guessing on the Chuck Berry song
     
  19. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Unless Piotr was a time traveller. Poor Prokofiev on his return from America and Dmitri who rarely set foot outside the Soviet Union composed numerous works to celebrate this and that including the October Revolution. And also the failed 1905 uprising in one of the greatest symphonies of the twentieth century his eleventh The Year 1905.

    It's full of patriotic folk song quotes on freedom and the finale is shattering but ends unresolved in G neither major or minor. Does evil still triumph ? The percussion section is immense and an amazing sight to see in action. I went to see the LPO under Jurowski perform this back in 2017. How the time flies. Dmitri also made mention to a friend that this was also a remembrance of the crushing of the Hungarian protesters in 1956 much like the innocents gunned down in their hundreds by the Tsar's troops in 1905. It was written in 1957.

     

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