The Premier League - 2019/20 - All Match Discussion In Here

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by wfc4ever, Aug 3, 2019.

  1. StuBoy

    StuBoy Forum Cad and Bounder

    Newcastle 1 up at Spurs
     
  2. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Typical Spurs !

    Nice pick me up for Newcastle.
     
  3. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Reservist

    So much for VAR only favouring the big teams.

    Can’t see how that wasn’t a penalty
     
  4. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Reservist

    Such a blatant pen. Ridiculous decision to not give that.
     
  5. WatfordÉire

    WatfordÉire Squad Player

    Kane fell over Lascelles, he wasn't pulled down by him. Correct decision for me.
     
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  6. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Looks like VAR are being anti big team as Spurs just had a clear penalty denied it seems.
     
  7. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Lascelles made no attempt to win the ball, while launching himself ridiculously across the floor, and collided with Kane’s leg. He doesn’t have to pull him down for it to be a foul. It’s a penalty for me.

    VAR already being brought into disrepute by the stupid and conservative way the PL are using it.
     
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  8. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    Lascelles fell into Kane, Kane would’ve easily got the ball if he hadn’t have collided with his legs.

    As clear a penalty as you will get, what’s the point in having VAR if they’re too scared to overrule the original decision? Totally pointless.
     
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  9. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Spurs couldn't break Newcastle down but our bunch of idiots will. Lol.
     
  10. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    There will certainly be break downs a plenty next weekend.
     
  11. Sahorn

    Sahorn Reservist

    Oh dear Toon win at Totttingham - we’re rock bottom.
    Pressure pressure pressure on Javi.
     
  12. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    I get your point but totally different circumstances, they’ll be at home playing the bottom team not away to a top 6 team. The onus will be on them to actually try and attack.
     
  13. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Wolves get a 97th minute penalty via VAR - cue a Sean Dyche rant!
     
  14. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    What I’m struggling with when it comes to the Spurs non-decision is we seem to now be in a position where two totally contradictory situations can arise:

    A) as with actual events, Dean doesn’t give it and VAR decides there’s not enough grounds to overturn
    B) or Dean gives it and VAR decides there’s not enough ground to overturn

    So what’s the point in VAR? It’s supposed to be a safety net for referees, to correct obvious mistakes, not a shield against all threats to their decision-making.
     
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  15. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Reservist

    They will argue it wasn’t a clear and obvious enough mistake. But, hey, I agree with you let’s scrap VAR for all our sakes!
     
  16. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    They’ll argue that but they’re setting the bar too high in my opinion. We’re now in a situation where most neutrals think something was a penalty, yet VAR sticks with the on-field decision because it wasn’t wrong enough. It defeats the object.
     
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  17. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    I don’t really get how it wasn’t clear and obvious though. If Lacelles body was 180 degrees and he fell in with his legs it would’ve been as clear a penalty as you could get. Somehow because he fell in front first it’s not clear and obvious? Kane was very close to the ball and would’ve got it had Lacelles not collided with his legs? The ball wasn’t played in anyway, so surely it’s just a textbook penalty?
     
  18. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Reservist

    And I think that’s the spirit in which it was intended to operate. To overturn the real howlers, not the debatable ‘could go either way’ decisions. I would also like to see that approach extended to include the ludicrous ‘toenail’ offside calls, which can never be ‘clear and obvious’ errors. Stop striving for perfection.
     
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  19. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I get where you’re coming from. And obviously we don’t know what Dean said to Taylor as the check was happening. But the PL has consciously sidelined the pitchside tv monitor, which means instead of the on-field ref being left to decide if he’s made a clear and obvious error, a pal in Stockley Park who realises he’ll be in the firing line next week is doing it instead. It inspires a natural bias towards leaving things as they are. And that then defeats the object of involving technology.

    It’s not yet clear when something will be so blatantly wrong as to justify overturning. I’m concerned the bar is so high it’ll essentially neuter VAR completely. Fine if that’s the medium-term intention of the authorities over here. But pointless if we’re going to the extent of piping graphics into stadiums and replays onto tv trumpeting it’s existence.
     
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  20. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    Guaranteed. Even if we fluke a win, it looks as though a good percentage of us want Javi gone! Seriously though, the results today make our start look even worse.
     
  21. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    Can't they just build robots to ref games? Surely AI must be close. Can't be much worse than the crap in this country.
     
  22. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    Like last year when Citeh scored a goal against us last year, despite an offside in the build-up? Don't worry, i'm sure it'll happen again.
     
  23. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    Kane was leaning on the defender and away from the ball. As the defender went down he had no one to hold him up so fell over getting even further from the ball. No foul.
     
  24. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    Thats really not what happened. Kane was leaning in that direction but the defender cut across his path and chucked himself into his legs. As I said, if the defender was 180 degrees and took him out with a leg, however minimal the contact and irrespective of where Kane is leaning or running to, it’s a pen. Doesn’t matter where Kane is leaning, his first contact with the defender is when his body takes his legs out.
     
  25. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    Obviously a matter of options. I think Kane and the ball were going in opposite directions so not a penalty.
     
  26. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    England squad announced :

    AWB and Mings the new boys - with Walker dropped/rested .

    Former has been catching the eye a lot and moving to Man U has probably helped his cause .

    Will the in form Maddison and Mount get a chance ahead of someone like Lingard ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49507247
     
  27. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    The fact Lingard is even in the squad is beyond a joke.

    Absolute dog **** player. Another that gets by on an unwarranted reputation for nothing.
     
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  28. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Mason Mount, 3 PL games, gets a call up.

    He must be decent, he plays for Chelsea.
     
  29. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    You’ve handily missed out the fact he scored twice in those 3 games I notice...
     
  30. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Bet one of Bournemouth’s add-on’s over Mings was an international call-up...

    Villa paying out already most likely.
     
  31. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Just watched it and I tend to agree that it is not a penalty. On the flip side though, I thought Son should have had one in the first half
     
  32. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    So?
     
  33. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    Weird that Mings was called up. A reliable poster earlier in this thread said that he’d been crap for Villa.
     
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  34. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    Typical big club bias shown again. Southgate is a *******.
     
  35. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    Big club innit
     

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