Great point . There’s no way Cathcart or Gray in particular could ever be part of a promotion winning side is there .
His point is Pozzo signings have proven weak minded and toxic it’s a proven fact .in the observer/athletic etc If they win promotion before it was a flook .it will ever be repeated
Yawn. It's not 2015 any more. No idea why our fans have such trouble grasping the difference that makes.
Ok sorry yeh it’s obvious of course . Cathcart was mentally ok in 2015 ( and Gray in 2016) Now they’re both mentally weak . Is it the effect playing in the premier league had on them ? Or was it hanging around with Deeney , that must be it . What year did they cross over from being mentally ok to weak ? Was it a gradual change or did it just happen overnight ? I’m fascinated by this strange theory ,
It’s you that doesn’t get it. The longer they are in a pozzo setup the more mentally weak they become . It’s we’ll documented .
You're fascinated by the fact that players regress as footballers, whether that be from a technical, physical or mental perspective, as they age across the space of 5 years and exit their prime years, and find it a "strange theory"? Are you new to football/life?
Im fascinated by your Ability to assess players mental strength so accurately over time . Besides this is the first time I’ve heard this argument that mental strength deteriorates significantly in an athletes early thirties. I don’t buy this at all . Physically they deteriorate sure , but it is more likely that their mental strength has improved . Take tennis greats like Federer. His ability to bely is age is probably down to experience and mental strength so I think you are wide of the mark there . Its not really true in life either is it? I don’t look around me and think that the people I work with in their twenties are all somehow ‘mentally stronger ‘ than me and because I’m in my forties I can’t compete with them on that basis . In fact it’s more likely to be the other way round . In actual fact I’m more likely to assess someone’s ‘mental strength’ as an individual and don’t think it has much bearing on age at all . What you’re saying is not based on reality at all . The only point at which there may be sone truth is in old age where yes there might be an argument for what you’re saying . But Cathcart and Gray are hardly drawing their pensions are they ? im not even sure what the relevance of this to anything anyway , come to think of it .
You're going off and one and simply reeling off things I haven't actually said. I said the squad as a collective is weak mentally, as proven by a number of performances last season. I then pointed out specific players who I don't want to see play for us this season for a number of reasons, not just because of their potential mental fragility in footballing terms. What is an undeniable and a scientific fact is that footballers and athletes decline physically as they age and pass their peak years. We have a number of players in the squad who are approaching or already past the end of their peak years and who's attributes have noticeably declined in line with this. Deeney is the best example of it - struggling more with injuries, any semblance of pace now gone, very little movement left. Just physically clearly past his best as a footballer and completely unsurprisinglat 32. In terms of mentality it's not just about age, is it? Experiences and changes in life often determine a person's mental state. Generally we've had it pretty easy since promotion, but when the pressure was on last season and things weren't going our way a number of players visibly crumbled under the weight of it all.
no of course it isn’t about age . You were the one who says it was . You indicated that players had declined mentally since 2015 and that’s the reason. They could no longer be involved in a promotion push. You also indicated I didn’t know anything about life when I questioned this bizarre reasoning and that players automatically decline mentally as they get passed their prime ( this is actually what you said in your post, so no point saying otherwise). This is turning into one of those round in circle arguments that I don’t really get into . However , the point I’m making is that this tired cliche of the Pozzos signing mentally weak players is often wheeled out but what may appear to be mental weakness isn’t much to do with the player but often the circumstances / coaching etc at that time. So to suggest that somehow Cathcart can’t be involved in a successful promotion push Because of his mind is nonsense . He’s been there and done it . The fact he’s a few years older is irrelevant . I’m not sure why you bring up physical decline because that is nothing to do with the point I was making . Obviously Cathcart is now passed his prime , that’s a given , but we are not debating that .
Except it's not at all, is it? I mean we can continue to play this game if you want but if you read my original reply again it quite clearly says "technical, physical or mental", but you're twisting that to desperately try and make your point. At no point did I insist that all players inevitably decline from a psychological point of view with age. I pointed out that footballers generally decline with age in a number of different ways - and that a number of our players are now past their prime comparative to 2015 - and then also quite clearly went on to explain my reasoning behind it all. In fact at no point when specifically mentioning 2015 in that previous post did I say anything about any players having "declined mentally". You've literally completely made that up... again. I bring up physical decline because that's entirely part of my reasoning as to why I mentioned some of the players I did in the old post you first quoted. You've simply latched onto and are obsessing over one part of my post in regards to general mental weakness in the squad now won't hear anything else I'm saying because it doesn't fit your narrative and you've tied yourself in knots.
No need to ‘desperately twist’ anything , I haven’t got the time quite frankly . You stated, as you repeated above that players decline mentally with age , which is nonsense and I called you on it . That’s all .
No, yet again, I didn't. Why are you repeatedly making things up? I stated that footballers regress in a number of ways as they age and explained very clearly my stance on it, including my reasoning and thinking when it comes to the mental/psychological side of it - which wasn't directly related to age. As already stated you are obsessing over one part of my post and adding extra lines and context that don't actually exist. The only one talking nonsense is you by literally making up false quotes and insisting that I've said things that I quite clearly haven't. It's all there to see in black and white in the posts, but the actual quotes and facts clearly don't fit with whatever it is that you're rambling on about. At no point have I said "footballers all decline mentally with age". What I actually said was that we have a generally mentally weak squad and, to quote myself with one of my actual comments as opposed to one of your made up ones, "players regress as footballers, whether that be from a technical, physical or mental perspective, as they age across the space of 5 years and exit their prime years".
You probably should have left the word 'mental' out in hindsight and just left in technical and physical.
Ok so , I said you said : Players decline mentally with age what you actually said layers regress as footballers...from a mental perspective ... as they age yeh I completely see your point. Please accept my sincerest apologies .
they are all crap players whose best years are far, far behind them. I don't understand how you're missing that? Have you watched a game over the past 18 months?
Joking aside. Wouldn't be surprised to see a cheap, experienced Serie B player come in- similar to the Munari/Behrami signings The midfield needs some bite.
