everyone on here has proberbly heard that the goverment want to make road users pay £1.28 per mile they travel. my dad recieved a letter in post (as hes a courier) and i thought i'd post it on here because it may well affect some of you or your families/mates. http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/ go to here to sign the petiton
Done! George Hobday James Stewart Gill Leah Andrew Cheeseman kuldeep dhillon Anthony Vann Rachel Henson
Suppose you believe everything you read don't you? This whole anti-road pricing campaign has really been ******* me off as it's spread around the internet like wildfire on the basis of myth and false information, and has been praying on people's basic sense of never wanting to pay for anything ever to get them to sign. -For a start the government's own feasability study stated that the technology wasn't yet in place to make the scheme viable so we're looking at maybe 10 to 15 years until it comes into place on a nationwide scale. -Secondly the proposed charges are up to £1.34/mile (that would be the charge for driving on a very busy road like the M25 at a peak time). However it would be as low as 2p/mile for driving on a country lane off-peak. -The govt have suggested that road tax and petrol duty would be abolished upon the introduction of this scheme. -The environmental benefits of the scheme are significant. No massive road building programme would be necessary and congestion could be cut by up to 40%, just by asking people to consider whether they should be driving somewhere at a certain time. -People have been complaining about the potential ability of the govt to track you via the satellite system. I don't understand the big fuss. No where does it say they plan to use this technology to issue speeding tickets or anything of the sort. Yet another myth from the anti brigade. Before I get loads of 'Boo hiss!' type stuff I agree that more needs to be done to improve public transport. But building more bloody roads isn't going to solve congestion problems in anything but the very short term.
Stop trying to confuse the issue with facts. Lol, the first person to respond isn't old enough to drive.
Oh yes - and I guess you still believe in Father Christmas. It is a sad fact that 81% of the population don`t believe in the words of politicians (I am surprised it is that low) but when you have been lied to for as many years as some of us have, you may develop a more objective opinion about life. It is estimated that if the UKs drivers stopped driving completely it would reduce world emissions by 0.01%, so in fact this whole political green thing is a complete nonsense - you just need to monitor where all the Chancellor`s extra Air Tax is going from this month (natural warming is cyclical and has happened many times since the fourteenth century). It is not so much improving UK public transport (a 2% improvement would achieve little) if you really believe in this it is to persuade China, India, etc to cease polluting the atmosphere. Meanwhile anyone know where I can get a nice big Chelsea Tractor?;D
You care to give a source for this, because the figures you quote are complete b******s and sound like you made them up. Prove me wrong and provide a source (other than "a guy down the pub said .....")
I can understand your enthusiasm BHornet but you really shouldn`t use body part exclamations until you have investigated first principles yourself.;D No Benskins pubs in Hampshire I am afraid (also don`t know any in Hertfordshire now - you sweet old fashioned thing) - so no pub guy quotes. All just plain un-hyped facts (but had to edit due to length of post): List of countries by carbon dioxide emissions From Wikipedia Countries by carbon dioxide emissions (red the highest) This is a list of sovereign states by man made carbon dioxide emissions. Data was collected in 2002 by the United Nations Statistics Division--numbers known to two significant figures at best. * 1 List of countries by emissions * 2 Notes * 3 External links * 4 See also [edit] List of countries by emissions Rank Country CO2 emissions in thousands of metric tons Percentage of total emissions[1] Notes - World total 24,126,416 100 % Does not include natural CO2 emissions 1 United States • Guam • Puerto Rico • American Samoa • U.S. Virgin Islands Total 5,844,042 4,096 13,598 286 10,256 5,872,278 24.3 % - European Union 3,682,755 15.3 % 2 Flag of People's Republic of China China • Flag of Hong Kong Hong Kong • Flag of Macau Macau Total 3,263,103 35,458 1,810 3,300,371 14.5 % Includes emissions from the islands of Kinmen, Penghu and Matsu 3 Flag of Russia Russia 1,432,513 5.9 % 4 Flag of India India 1,220,926 5.1 % 5 Flag of Japan Japan 1,203,535 5.0 % 6 Flag of Germany Germany 804,701 3.3 % 7 Flag of United Kingdom United Kingdom • Bermuda • Cayman Islands • Gibraltar • Falkland Islands • Montserrat • Saint Helena • British Virgin Islands Total 543,633 498 289 216 42 55 12 68 544,813 2.3 % see also: So if UK total is 2.3% of world (this also includes above non mainland territories) and 33.5% of that is Transport of which 7% is cars =0.053% less diesels and gas = .01% UK carbon emissions 8 Flag of Canada Canada 517,157 2.1 % 9 Flag of South Korea South Korea 446,190 1.8 % 10 Flag of Italy Italy 433,018 1.8 % Includes San Marino. 11 Flag of Mexico Mexico 383,671 1.6 % 12 Flag of France France • Guadeloupe • French Guiana • Martinique • New Caledonia • French Polynesia • Réunion Total 368,315 1,722 990 2,245 1,824 701 2,470 378,267 1.6 % Amount for France also includes Monaco. 13 Flag of Iran Iran 360,223 1.5 % 14 Flag of Australia Australia 356,342 1.5 % 15 Flag of South Africa South Africa 345,382 1.4 % 16 Flag of Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia 340,555 1.4 % 17 Flag of Brazil Brazil 313,757 1.3 % 18 Flag of Ukraine Ukraine 306,807 1.3 % 19 Flag of Indonesia Indonesia 306,491 1.3 % 20 Flag of Spain Spain 304,603 1.3 % 21 Flag of Poland Poland 296,398 1.2 % 22 Flag of Republic of China Taiwan 250,241 1.0 % 23 Flag of Thailand Thailand 231,927 0.9 % 24 Flag of Turkey Turkey 207,996 0.9 % 25 Malaysia 150,630 0.6 % 26 Flag of Netherlands Netherlands • Netherlands Antilles • Aruba Total 150,877 9,937 1,925 Final energy consumption London by night seen from the International Space Station London by night seen from the International Space Station During 2004, the total energy consumed in the UK was the equivalent to 161.1 million tonnes of oil (an increase of 9.37% compared to the equivalent of 147.3 million tonnes of oil used in 1990). This represented 67.6% of the total energy used; the other 32.4% was lost in converting or transmitting the energy, or was used by the energy industries themselves before it reached the consumers. Final energy consumption was used by consumers in the following proportions: * Transport – 35.63% (33.00% in 1990) * Domestic – 30.23% (27.70% in 1990) * Industry – 21.17% (26.27% in 1990) * Services – 12.91% (13.03% in 1990) (source DTI) * This page was last modified 22:05, 2 February 2007. * All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License. (See Copyrights for details.) Wikipedia® is a registered trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a US-registered 501(c)(3) tax-deductible nonprofit charity. * Privacy policy * About Wikipedia * Disclaimers
Having joined the other 1.8 million fine citizens who have registered their disaproval of the simplistic bash the motorist, train passengers, bus passengers, and airline passengers, stance of our pathetic politicians, I was overjoyed to find a message from one Anthony Blair residing in my junk mailbox. It made `such riveting reading` that I thought it merited the following reply as well as live participation in a web chat debate with his minion the Minister Of Transport at 4pm tomorrow: Dear Prime Minister, Thank you for your response to my participation in the web based petition on congestion charges, which I have absorbed with a great deal of interest, however regretfully you have clearly missed the point. With the UK having a maximum viable potential population accessed by independent consultants as 50 million, should you seriously wish to reduce congestion, (rather than raise revenue), the strategy should be to reduce our population. Currently the poor quality of services provided by transport, health, schools, housing, crime etc. are all being exacerbated by over population, none of which will be improved by reducing the quality of life and freedom of it`s bona fide citizens. There are a host of measures which could be employed to reduce our population in an entirely supportive manner. The question is therefore why don`t you reduce our population? Pilot schemes could be commenced in the major areas of `over population` in order to fully analyse their cost/benefit, before consideration of a wider national scheme. With an estimated 3 million people emigrating from the country each year, and with adequate safeguards, within a 10 year time-scale our congestion problems could be eradicated not just on our transport systems, but in all the other areas mentioned. I read that you are carefully considering the legacy you wish to leave behind when you retire, this could be the solution- do think about it and consult some focus groups to test the veracity of my thoughts. Yours Truly Hornetmaster
