Newcastle United 1-1 Watford FC - 31/08/2019

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by Pob, Aug 24, 2019.

  1. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    It goes without saying that we should play a 4-3-3, I like that team, though the Cov game (as well as our general shitness) have given us some things to think about. Cathcart and Dawson (and Kabs for that matter) are much of a muchness, but we should drop one of them for Kabs just to give us something different. Wouldn't mind seeing Foulquier, though he's more of a right-back, and we're stronger there than at left-back. Doucs and Capoue still pick themselves, torn between Quina and Pereyra for the #10 role. Pereyra played there last night and is more natural there than out wide, but then again Quina is quality and I'd like to see him play more. Attack picks itself if Welbeck is deemed match fit enough for a league game
     
  2. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Surely Welbeck isn't ready yet
     
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  3. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Masina hasn't had any minutes so far though. Depending how the other fella played LB last night. Prefer Chalobah for Quina tbh. I believe he would hold the line better. Pace to burn up top. But this all depends if Newcastle get at us to leave space. Have to go long diagonals to split the back three and by pass the wingbacks.
     
  4. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    True. Got the 90 yesterday. Depending on his recovery abilities I suppose. Good option off the bench though if Gray starts.
     
  5. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    Gray deserves to and has to start for me.

    If he played 38 games a season you’d get a lot of rubbish touches and awful moments but I’m convinced you’d get 15 league goals.

    He’s never really let us down when called upon so I think he deserves a starting run whilst Deeney is injured. Ease Welbeck in till Christmas IMO.


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  6. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    I don't think Gray can be seen as a waste of money anymore. He's our biggest goal threat.
     
  7. Rookery Refugee

    Rookery Refugee Reservist

    Team for me has to be 4-2-3-1
    Foster
    Janmatt Cathcart Kabasel/Dawson Holebas
    Capoue Doucoure
    Sarr Pereyra Deulofeu
    Gray

    Subs
    GK
    Femenia
    Kabasele/Dawson
    Welbeck
    Success
    Quina/Cleverley
    Penaranda
     
  8. We hate 48

    We hate 48 Reservist

    Sort of OK and Carpster like this.
  9. simpleMASH

    simpleMASH Reservist

    I am going to be fuming when Femenía gets another start ahead of Janmaat at the weekend.
     
  10. Moosegasm

    Moosegasm Reservist

    This result, formation and player performances against Cov put Javi in a strange position. Staring down the barrel of a gun that might not even be loaded. As loyal as the Light Brigade. The designer of a fantastic new system that propelled us as high as 7th and to an FA cup final before crashing and burning, cruelly exposed and now totally discredited. A footballing Epstein (4222 not Javi). Does he continue with his failed system like King Canute waiting to drown or does he use his high levels of intelligence to make the changes required? Who is Javi Gracia? Can he adapt? Spanish girls don't like going Dutch, is Javi the same with Janmaat? I don't believe in an Interventionist Cod but if I did I'd ask it to intervene on this occasion to change the system and play Janmaat.
     
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  11. Moosegasm

    Moosegasm Reservist

    Gray is the anti-Jurado, he is all about end product rather than technique. When he misses it makes no difference to the result if it hits the post or goes off for a throw in. The important thing is how often he scores and how important the goal is. Saturday was a good example of his determination and impact. He scored the goal and set up Hughes. It should have been enough to kick start our season. Also he's a fighter which is exactly what we need right now for the relegation dog fight ahead of us. People criticise Dre's first touch but he scores goals with his first touch too and people often overlook his movement which is world class. His movement for the goal on Saturday and also the way he found space in the box to have a clear shot against Brighton. He can score at any time in any game. If Welbeck or Sarr can match Gray's minutes per goal for Watford they'll become Watford legends. One of the things I really admire about Andre is that despite his wealth, pop star girlfriend and PL minutes per goal he combines being as hard as nails with being a level headed guy. None of it has gone to his head. He works his socks off in every game. We didn't score in our first 200 minutes of the season. Then Andre gets his first start and 17 minutes later we get a goal. He is far from perfect but if all our players had his mental strength we wouldn't be facing relegation right now.
     
  12. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    I think describing his movement as 'world class' might be going a touch overboard, but I do agree that he has some qualities that we are in need of.

    I think having to play alongside Troy is something that can at times hamstring him, because if he essentially functions as the Wolverhampton Icardi, as in 'no touches with no service, but when he does get it, it's done' that's fine, as long as there isn't another player taking up a position on the pitch contributing to nothing for long stretches of tie/entire games if he doesn't feel like it.

    You can take your one striker doing nothing and ballooning touches for 89 minutes if he bangs a winner in the final one, but not if there's another guy having the same amount of impact in a different way. That is, of course, not always true of Troy, but it has been becoming a more familiar occurrence over the past two or three years.
     
  13. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Jurado is the Spanish Mceachran.
     
  14. bedmond_hornet

    bedmond_hornet First Year Pro

    I’d be happy with this team. Wanted to see Pereyra play behind the striker for ages.
     
  15. Moosegasm

    Moosegasm Reservist

    That's a fair point, especially if u include Del Boy's erratic contributions and lack of defensive work. I do think though that Andre's off the ball running has a big impact on the shape of the opposition and tires out their defenders even if he often isnt actually touching the ball.
     
  16. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    As crazy as it sounds, Gray is almost the first name I’d put on the team sheet. Has been one of the better performers (from a very shallow pool admittedly!) so far and to drop him after he played and scored seems entirely counter-productive to me. Give him a run of games I say.

    I find it hard to say that we should leave Deulofeu out - but he’s hardly covered himself in glory in the games so far. Yes he’s thought of as our biggest threat but he looked uninterested on Saturday. Showing him that his place isn’t guaranteed wouldn’t be the worst thing IMO. Now we have a stronger squad, players shouldn’t feel like they ‘deserve’ to start on reputation alone now and that every spot is rightfully up for grabs. Doucoure, Cathcart, Femenia and Deulofeu should all be on the bench on Saturday.
     
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  17. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Matt Ritchie just took a hard tackle and has gone off injured before half time in the cup.
     
  18. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Shame
     
  19. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Justworkedouthowtochange

    Must win game

    Predictions

    We won’t keep a clean sheet (ever again)
    We might score

    Newcastle between 1 and 3 Watford between 0 and 5

    Would like to think we would win, but then again I would have like to have thought after 20 years I would have won the lottery jackpot - some things just don’t pan out
     
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  20. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Steve Bruce vs Javi Gracia. Two of the finest minds in the elite game. Who will win? Who will choke and importantly, who will keep their underwear dry? Tune in Saturday at 5pm to find out.
     
  21. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    Didn't look uninterested at all.

    Was interacting with Foster before the penalty, telling him where to go.

    Only one clapping and rallying boys up as they walked back to centre circle.

    Got in the faces of West Ham, yes he should've scored a few times but he was demanding the ball and running everywhere.

    Not sure if it was Brighton or West Ham but at one point he ran all the way back after losing the ball and made an important block in our box.
     
  22. Moosegasm

    Moosegasm Reservist

    It was Brighton, he did it cos he was the one who lost the ball. The fact we both remember 'the time Deulofeu ran all the way back' says an awful lot about him.
     
  23. Moosegasm

    Moosegasm Reservist

    Sarr is saying 'how the f**k are u not in the 1st team !?!?!?!' 20190828_222013.jpg
     
  24. Stuey

    Stuey Reservist

    If Gracia is learning to adapt and not play his mates/out of form players then I am hopeful of a draw/win from Newcastle. Personally I'd like to see Sarr come in for Hughes, Chalobah for Doucs and Kabasele for either Cathcart/Dawson. Janmaat for Femenia. Keep Gray up top.
     
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  25. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I think Gracia would see dropping Hughes and Doucs as weakening the team too much defensively esp given Chalo can't be relied upon at present and played a full game midweek.
    I would like to see an attacking unit with the pace of Sarr/Gray/GD away from home though. Far more effective than at home I would have thought where there is greater need to break a team down and have a focal point.
     
  26. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    So that they face Foster?

    Would improve communication.
     
  27. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Wondering if, given everything, you were considering changing your name back.
     
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  28. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Del looked the most 'at it' to me.

    Always trying to make something happen.
     
  29. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Rebranding is expensive. What would I do with all those I Love Happy Bunny baseball caps and T-shirts?
     
  30. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Announcing self love on sporting apparel is not to be encouraged.

    Maybe one for the ForumMart?
     
  31. WatfordÉire

    WatfordÉire Squad Player

    Javi says in his press conference that apart from Troy (who's going to be out for 2 months), everyone else is available for selection. Be interesting to see if any of the midweek performers make on the bench or even starting 11.

    I don't believe Femenia deserves amount of blame thrown his way recently, but I would be surprised if Janmaat doesn't start Saturday.

    Something like this for me

    ----------------Foster---------------
    Janmaat-Dawson-Kabs-Holebas
    --------Doucs-----Capoue---------
    Sarr----------Hughes------Pereyra
    ----------------Gray-----------------

    Sub: Gomes, Femenia, Cathcart, Cleverly, Quina, Peñaranda, Welbeck

    Thats leaving out Mapps, Chalobah & Success!

    Have a feeling he may start Cathcart though.
     
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  32. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    I give the baseball caps and T-shirts out to my admirers. I've still got quite a lot left.
     
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  33. Rookery Refugee

    Rookery Refugee Reservist

    And Deulofeu, who will almost certainly start, but certainly make the bench. I think Hughes sits Pereyra slides inside and Deulofeu on the left - with he and Pereyra interchanging. Personally, given Newcastle's somewhat anemic attack, I'd prefer a 4-1-3-2 with Deulofeu up top with Gray and Doucoure pushed forward. I like Pereyra's creativity inside, but I'm afraid he lacks the physicality for it against a lot of clubs.
     
  34. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    He will stick with Femenia, GD and Cathcart !
     
  35. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    You missed out Deulofeu. I'd be hoping for similar, but:

    ----------------Foster---------------
    Janmaat-Dawson-Kabs-Holebas
    --------Doucs-----Capoue---------
    Sarr----------Deulofeu------Pereyra
    ----------------Gray-----------------
     
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