Fan, once again - you have failed to properly read my post. I was saying that I had not suggested a blanket ban, as you keep seemingly assuming, not you! You clearly missed the pun with "undiscovered" but that's fine. My point is, that if English clubs had to expend more time and effort into bringing young Englishmen through the ranks, and more Englishmen were playing in a competitive environment - these players would improve, and create for a better national team. I'm not saying every player would be world-class, but there would be a better chance. Plus, good players - like Wright-Phillips, Agbonlahor etc. who are perhaps not world class, but can make a contribution - would improve, and contribute moreso to the national team. Besides, UEFA are introducing similar regulatrions soon regardless, so case closed. Oh, and regarding your point about these players being discovered whilst my regulations aren't in place, wouldn't you want more of these crop of players discovered?! Re. Newcastle - Taylor, Caroll, Ramage, Edgar, Huntington, Pattinson have all made vital contributions to our team this year - amidst our injury crisis. Oh, and with Owen, Duff, Parker, Ameobi, Zoggy, Emre etc. etc. all out, none of the top 4 have managed to beat us at SJP this season either...! My propsed regulations are merely a benchmark Fan, I haven't spent hours upon hours working out all the in's and out's of the rulings.
i have never said you suggested a blanket ban i can only imagine i missed out on some nugget of comedy with that undiscovered pun. now this is the arguable point! players could improve in this comptetive environment, or it could set the bar lower seeing as some of the quality would have left. instead of your carraghers playing alongisde your hyppias and against the henrys of the world, he could be playing with your upsons against your francis jeffers. all of them at some point considered for international duty, yet clearly lacking! whether you think its the probable outcome or not, all i'm trying to say is that it is an undeniable possible outcome so rather than saying 'yeah, lets just limit foreigners, it simply has to be the magic pill' it might not the actual solution to englands problems. as i've already stated in the long term it will have the by product of bettering the national team, but that will only come about from increased participation in the game at the earliest level, whcih could instead be addressed now by the fa by rules other than the one you are suggesting leading to better english players and a better national team much sooner. so rather than implementing this for its indirect consequences 20 years down the line, why not solve the actual issue now? the supply of quality english players, not the demand!
Surely it's better for the future of English football anyway, if we have more home-grown players in our teams. Players with more passion, pride and commitment for their local team. Players with whom the fans can identify. Yes, Fan, I see your points - and yes, I agree there is a very small possibility that what you are saying could come into play. However, the likelihood is, that most English players would improve as a result of these regulations, and there would be an increase in the number of quality English players. Playing every week is going to improve you as a player, as opposed to warming the bench every week. In the same way, playing in the Champions League, against the best of the best, and at the top of the Premiership, against the best of the best - is going to improve you as a player. What you must let hold of, is this idea of current situations. Francis Jeffers and similar duffers haven't been brought through with the regulations that I am suggesting, so are totally irrelevant to the argument. Perhaps had he have been brought through the ranks following my proposed rules, he might have made more of his career. Afterall, he was highly sought after at one point, and the fact that Arsenal didn't play him very often - in favour of foreign alternatives! - was probably what ruined his career. This merely goes to prove my point even further. So, the upshot is, that you do have a very small point Fan, but your argument is flawed in several ways - as I have highlighted in this thread. My argument is solid, and has several valid points, something the FA should probably follow up.
levski, steau, cska, spartak moscow, shaktar, olympiakos, kobenhavn, aek, anderlecht. all regular champions league teams, so by your own logic they should have strong national teams and strong domestic league? you keep saying, 'However, the likelihood is, that most English players would improve as a result of these regulations, and there would be an increase in the number of quality English players.' yet you give no reasoning for it. why would there be an increase in the number of quality players? just because man utd need more quality english players doesn't mean they will suddenly fall out the sky. the only solid explanation for it is the one i gave for you, and that is not dependant on these regulations! 'So, the upshot is, that you do have a very small point Fan, but your argument is flawed in several ways - as I have highlighted in this thread. My argument is solid, and has several valid points, something the FA should probably follow up.' thats the kind of intransigent jobr-esque thinking which means i'm terminating this correspondence
Ha ha ha! Terminating the correspondence, when it becomes clear that you've lost the argument! Again, the reasons I have given for why the English players would improve - is because they will be playing for better teams, with better coaches, better peers, against better teams, at a better standard of quality. If more English players were given the opportunity to play, then they would improve as players - for the above reasons. Case closed.
players improve because they are playing for good teams - that is the only thing you ever say yet there is nothing intrinsic in that argument to suggest an assailable truth given that it can be critiqued on so many levels, as i have done if you read back through my points. however you just ignore every single point i make and are completely ignorant to to differences between demand and supply. to be frank, i'm mostly stopping this because your tone and attitude towards this has become failry unbearable.
