Let it go let it go - 14/15 Horns Darlings watch

I didn't make that argument. You asked Squibba what he saw in Forestieri's performances that made him believe he could have made the step up. He answered, you then argued that what he saw was not right because it's two different levels of competition.

I made the point that players can make the step up as they are playing with better players and there are numerous examples of which there are possibly 5 or 6 (if you count the two who couldn't get in the side at their struggling Championship clubs when they joined) at the club now and you agree with me that it's possible that it can happen.

So the answer is, we'll never know because he didn't get a chance with us. So it's illogical for you to argue that Forestieri cannot make the step up as he's never played in the Premier League. Whilst you are fully entitled to that opinion, it doesn't make it right. Nor is Squibba's necessarily right. Although his opinion is based on his current high level of performance at Sheffield Wednesday.

One day we will see him answer the question, that I have no doubt about.

 

Well, he wasn't rubbish at all was he...

 

I'm not expert but I think you've just nailed GD's point...

 

I doubt the Prem is overawed by Jurado either.

 

You posted this previously:-

You explicitly say that you don't believe that he can perform the same in the Premier League, which by extension you are saying he can't make the step up. You even bring up his inconsistency with some made up opinion based stats, which seem at odds with your demand that Squibba can't compare two leagues.

If you aren't saying he can't make the step up, what are you saying?

 

That's exactly what I aimed to do. :angel3:

 

I'm no expert but I think you've just nailed UEA's point...

 

But to compare performance between two divisions is illogical isn't it?

Again comparing different divisions. It's hard not to, which is why we all do it. I think you've already said you agree with me that players and by extension Forestieri are more than capable to make the step up so we actually agree.

 

That's very funny, but I don't think that's the point anyone was making.

 

I'm not strongly in either camp about Fessi. I liked him a lot and would have loved him to play in the Premier League for us. On his day he could have done with ease, and excelled.

The problem is that, and an astonishing number of people have forgotten this, 'his day' was about three weekends per season. If you take out games like Leeds and Reading last year, Fessi spent a majority of his time sulking and putting in very little effort. A lot was made of his strop because Troy didn't pass to him against Fulham. For me though, I was gobsmacked when he didn't even bother to run back when he lost the ball in the last minutes of our most important game of the season against Brighton. At least Vydra sprinted back to our own box. Forestieri just looked like he couldn't care less if they went up the other end and scuppered our promotion. That just isn't the kind of character I want in this team, and it certainly isn't the kind QSF wants.

 

A little harsh on Fessi me thinks, but basically I agree that he would not be good enough on a consistent basis, and quite frankly he never was!

 

Nobody's forgotten about his 'strop' because it didn't exist. As mentioned countless times before, Forestieri rarely ran off 'crazily celebrating' a goal that he didn't score. Examples previously shown were Vydra's equaliser against Leicester in the Play Offs and he trotted off up the line after crossing the ball for the winner.

Hey, remember that time he chased the ball back against Crystal Palace and made a slide tackle which lead to a cross for Phillips to equalise? He got roundly criticised for that - 'not a defender', 'shouldn't be making a tackle there' and various other comical criticisms.

In fact, 'comical criticisms' pretty much sums up a lot about people on here and Forestieri. His stats during his career at Watford were excellent and he more than played his part in both the run to the Play Off final and our promotion season. In fact, I remember the 'lazy' Forestieri desperately trying to get the winner in the ill-fated Leeds game when others went missing.

 

I think that's a bit of an over-exaggeration. 12/13 was top drawer however he never really hit those heights again or kicked on in either of the two subsequent seasons.

I don't agree with those who accuse him of being sulky though.

 

He certainly didn't trot up the line after the winner if you're referring to the Deeney Leicester goal. Went mad.

There were several occasions over the 3 years where he lost the ball and didn't track back/sulked. This is undeniable fact. I saw it with my own eyes. And I love the bloke.

There were also times where he'd bust a gut to track back (though he often gave away a foul). But, I don't think we can afford to carry passengers, and Fessi often was one, even at a lower level. He's a Gestede. A McGugan. A Whittingham. Stand out in the 2nd division, not quite good enough for the top level. Imo.

 

Sadly I agree.

 

Vydra started tonight in a 0-1 loss to QPR .... Reading without a shot on target

I really can't figure out what's happened to him?

 

TBF Vydra was not given a single decent through ball

Reading midfield huffs and puffs but had zero creativity, it's slow, sideways, every player wants 2 or 3 touches, no imagination, no movement

 

Premier League

Bassong and Cleverley played 90 minutes against each other as Everton drew 1-1 with Norwich.

Mutch came on after 85 minutes for Crystal Palace as they beat Southampton 1-0. Mariappa didn't make it off the bench.

Jack Cork played 90 minutes in Swansea's 2-1 loss against Man City, with Swansea and then Man City both scoring in second half injury time.

Adam Johnson came on after 57 minutes but Danny Graham didn't make it off the bench as Watford beat Sunderland 1-0.

Championship

Joe Garner showed Vydra how to do it today, both played 90 minutes as Garner scored the only goal of the game in Preston 1-0 Reading. Bond started in goal for Reading, Andrew Taylor was at left back for them.

Lansbury played the whole game as Forest drew 1-1 with Wolves.

Lee Williamson didn't make it off the bench for Blackburn's 1-0 win against Rotherham.

Tozser and Angella didn't make it off the bench in Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink's first game as QPR manager.

Forestieri scored Sheff Wed's first as they came from two goals down to draw 2-2 with Cardiff. Pudil played 90 minutes, McGugan didn't make it onto the pitch.

Fabbrini came on at 87 minutes in Boro's 0-0 draw with Birmingham, who had Kuszczak in goal.

Weimann played 63 minutes as Chris Martin's late penalty secured a 2-2 draw for Derby against Brighton, who remain unbeaten in the league all season.

Kacaniklic came on after 79 minutes but no more goals were scored and it finished Fulham 2-2 Brentford.

Hogg played 90 minutes for Huddersfield but they lost 2-1 at home to Bristol City.

League One

Tom Aldred (remember him?!) scored the winner as Blackpool won 1-0 away to Wigan to move out of the relegation zone. Don Cowie got substituted at half time for Wigan.

Harry Forrester played 90 minutes as Peterborough drew 1-1 at home to Shrewsbury.

Colchester lost 3-2 at home to Barnsley, with Sordell playing 90 minutes, Massey playing 74 minutes and Briggs playing 66 minutes.

 

League Two

John Joe O'Toole bangs one in for Northampton vs the dismal Shatters to send the conservatories into an even deeper depression

 

FF goal celebration this week is revealing his new shinpads.

Made me laugh

 

I see WD40 are reporting today that we got a £500k loan fee for Layun and Porto have an £8m agreed fee to sign him in the summer which they are expected to trigger.

 

Which means we only pay £3m for Iturbe...good business...if Iturbe works out.

 

Bit of class from Vydra just now. Unfortunately Blackman and not Denney/Ighalo was on the end of it.

Still wish we had him on the bench. Though I can't grumble really.

 

Put on the Reading game, first thing I see?

Bond kicking the ball out of play from a goal kick.

 

And now booked for rushing out and handling outside his area.

 

Should he have done better with Hull's second?

 

Average Championship goalie, but I think most of us knew that. Wish him the best though, good lad. 2 goals in 13 now for Vydra.

 

Every Reading game i've watched Vydra has played pretty well. He makes good runs in behind but never gets the service.

 

I agree with you but Nick Blackman has adapted pretty well to the lack of service.