Compulsory Organ Donation

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by Clive_ofthe_Kremlin, Aug 23, 2018.

  1. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    I object to this plan and will certainly be opting out of donating any organs of mine after I've pegged it.

    There are several reasons for this:-

    1. Yes, I'll be dead, but I still don't want those who call themselves doctors playing with my body. I don't want them cracking my skull open or grinding up my bones. They've had their pound of flesh off me while I'm alive. No, I want to go complete thanks very much.

    2. I knew a girl who was a medical student and told me about one class they had where the body of some well-meaning donor had been hung up in front of the class. Dead and naked. He was a fat man and she told me how the students had tittered amongst themselves and made jokes about his body. I reckon people who donate think they're bits are going to be used for fabulous transplants and saving someone else's life, without realising that most of them are chopped and hacked about in front of a load of giggling teenagers. I've always insisted on dignity in life and I'd like to have it in death too.

    3. Where organs are used in transplants, I still object. Many doctors here pursue money and glory. Being a transplant consultant is much more glamorous and better rewarded than being a humble vaccination nurse, but the former might 'save' 10 or 20 lives with his transplants in his career. The latter might save tens of thousands. Each transplant might costs many thousands, whereas the vaccination costs 50p. For that reason, I don't even think they ought to be bothering spending all that money on a transplant for one person, when the resources would be better spent on vaccinating a couple of thousand poor kids.
     
  2. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Your number 2 is nothing to with common organ donation. I'd like to think most people who donate their bodies for medical students to use do it with eyes wide open anyway (Possibly literally). There was a documentary about it a couple of years ago, where they followed the donor from before they died right the way though. None of the donors seemed like the ill-informed type. And it's a fact people laugh and joke in inappropriate situations all the time - it's a natural response when they're nervous or unused to something. It's a good coping mechanism. It's human nature. I'd much rather people called a corpse fat than a living person.

    The taboo around death is ridiculous anyway. A lot of the customs around death have religious origins but somehow pervade where in other areas of life people haven't accepted them for decades.

    If anything in my body is useful for someone else after I've popped my clogs they're welcome to it. Though, quite selfishly I admit, I intend to use it for some time to come and they can fook off until then.
     
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2018
  3. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    What UEA said.

    If it wasn't for people donating their bodies to medical science for research then I'd probably be dead now. Hopefully the same will help you live a long and happy life Clive.
     
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  4. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    There is a microscopic chance my genetically superior WFC organs would go to a luton fan. Therefore I've opted out.
     
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  5. RookeryDad

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  7. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I'm happy for others to use my bits to stay alive.
    Re your #2 - I would be happy for female medical students to be gasping in awe at the wonder of my body. I suspect one or two may do a little more than gasp. A good looking guy like me would certainly be a prime target for a face transplant, and maybe the odd other organ I can think of. Some may choose to have a transplant even when not medically required.
    Re your #3 - Yes all transplant consultants are in it for the money and the glory. When my late father, a consultant cardiologist, came home from work he used to talk endlessly about his success rate stats and earnings and how he sat in the relative league tables. In fact the reason he carried on working well past 65 was for glory, nothing to do with trying to help patients and save lives.
    ps "...and will certainly be opting out of donating any organs of mine after I've pegged it". Best to opt out before you peg it. Otherwise you might inadvertently end up saving someone's life.
     
  8. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    If a medical student wants to use my chopper for a joke after I'm dead, then they are welcome to.

    I'd also be amused if my atheist heart ended up in some religious type.

    Compulsory organ donation is a sign of progress.
     
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  9. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    I've got no issue with people not wanting to donate their organs, but I think those who refuse to donate shouldn't be allowed to receive them either.

    Reap what you sow. If you refuse to help others than why should you benefit in turn?
     
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  10. kVA

    kVA Reservist

    Ffs, I thought that Clive was going to say he was being hit for local church repairs. I was going to recommend chancel insurance.
     
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  11. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    I'm surprised at you, Clive. A chance to help one of your fellow men (or women), and at no cost to yourself, and you won't take it. Disappointing
     
  12. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team

    Clive, would you also take this approach about vaccinations being cheaper if you were the one in need of a new kidney?
     
  13. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Hmmmm. Really impossible to answer unless it actually happened. I'd like to think I'd stick to my guns but don't honestly know.

    If it were one of the kids who wanted a transplant though, I have to confess I'd probably cave in easier than a Tottenham defender...
     
  14. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    As UEA has said. Organ donation is entirely separate to people who donate their bodies to medical science (That is to say for dissection by medical students) This is always done with consent and respect. I would think if you were disrespectful you would likely be reported to the GMC.
    When I was a medical student, I was fortunate enough that someone had donated their body for dissection, I found this invaluable in my learning about anatomy. I didn't see any evidence of anything other than respect during these classes. Many of us also went on to attend the funeral of the person who had been so selfless in this way. I still remember her name and Im still thankful to her.

    I have also attended surgery when organs are taken out of donors for donation. Again, although time is a factor, this has always seemed respectful. The reality is that one person could potentially donate organs to many different people and save their lives or relieve suffering.

    It is however a very personal choice to do either of these things
     
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  15. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    I somehow don't think a body that had been donated to medical science would come complete with their actual identity, me thinks somebody might be telling PORKIES :D
     
  16. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Err...there was literally a documentary on it a couple of years ago. Read this if you're interested:

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/20...dy-dissected-and-filmed-for-tv_n_8206240.html

     
  17. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    As UEA has said, we did know the person's name.
     
  18. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Where do I need to send it ?
    [​IMG]
     
  19. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    This (well actually it was this) pretty much changed everything as there had to be full traceability of samples and "full" non-exposure of human remains to non-specialists - the public's access to the Wellcome collection was severely affected.

    Any interested in donation can find info here. As an aside, I see that those of us with a WD postcode have to go to ****** London Poly, whereas those with the more classy AL/HP postcodes go to Cambridge...even in death Snorbens/Harpenden is right up its own ********.
     
  20. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Fool. Not that but this:
    [​IMG]
     
  21. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    3D printing?
     
  22. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Yep it's that easy. All you've got to do is build an "active", inert, biocompatible scaffold, seed it with a limitless supply of stem cells and have a mechanism to program their differentiation to target cells whilst at the same time the scaffold begins to exhibit "passive" biocompatibilty as its biodegraded in situ. It's so easy I'm crowfunding my own business - the first stage is to get some white paint to make my research premises* look more professional.

    *Shed,
     
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  23. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    When people realise they are not their physical selves this obviously wont be a problem.
     
  24. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Well if you say so I beleive you.

    However I have to say it really surprises me that the name of the person you were basically using as a piece of meat to carve up, all be it in a very good course, is made known to those who are actually doing the carving up at the time you are actually doing it, why would you need or even want to know that?
     
  25. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    FFS @cyaninternetdog the sheeple aren't supposed to ever know this....
     
  26. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Rachel is very much her physical self.
     
  27. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Could you programme them to excel at football.

    Cheaply.

    Please PM me.

    Gino
     
  28. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    What somebody's organs? My medical/physiology training may have been many, many, many summers ago but even I'm straining to see the benefit of having a liver/kidney/pancreas that's good "...at football...". Perhaps this is one for @nisman94, @cthulhu or @Optimistichornet?
     
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  29. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Ah, my mind had wandered.

    I thought we were discussing creating whole humans.

    If you did create a kidney, couldn't you somehow cut & paste the genome to make the other bits?

    I read History.

    Btw, just undergone an endoscopy.

    A brief yet unpleasant experience.
     
  30. kVA

    kVA Reservist

    You’re farts won’t make a sound fo the rest of the day.
     
  31. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    This, in essence is pretty much where all biomedical research has led us to. We "know" exactly what "we've" got to do "we've" just got to work out "how" to do it as I stated in post #22.
     
  32. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Rumour* is that they didn't before the procedure.

    *Moog told me.
     
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  33. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    If a troll farts in the woods and nobody is around to hear it does it stink?
     
  34. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    I would think the reason is that a dead human body isn't "a piece of meat" it is a person who has made a decision to donate their body to educate others in the hope that this will potentially help others. The message behind it is that, for dissection for the purposes of teaching medical students at least, people aren't pieces of meat they were once alive - it gives a message of respect, that the student should take on.
    If the individual didn't want their name to be passed on that certainly wouldn't be forced.
    I think we can all agree that Doctors need to learn respect for others and humility at an early stage.
    Also it isn't a "carving up" dissection is quite delicate.
     
  35. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Making good progress with gas expulsion.

    Working from home.
     

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