Best Players To Have Ever Come Through Our Youth System

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by EB Hornet, Feb 3, 2021.

  1. MIlton Dammers

    MIlton Dammers Reservist

    Yea it was a bit before my time so I'm on shaky ground regards Loofa's early days. I was just making the point that the reason nobody's picking him as our best ever academy graduate is that he's not generally regarded as one. Rightly or wrongly.
     
  2. hornetfan

    hornetfan Academy Graduate

    Luther did play quite a number of games in our youth teams and he went for a trial with Watford at the age of 15 while he was still at school. Watford's academy did not exist at that time.

    https://watfordlegends.com/interviews/luther-blissett/
     
  3. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Sure, yeah, absolutely; EPPP was always clearly a huge pisstake.
     
  4. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    I hate to say it but... David Connolly
     
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  5. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    Anthony McNamee .

    Never fulfilled his potential , but was electric and lit up a number of games in a very dull Watford team .
     
  6. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Who was the last homegrown player to make 50 first team appearances? Not a quiz, I haven't got a clue
     
  7. Timbers

    Timbers Apeman

    What about David James?

    Watford academy product who went on to play over 50 games an full international level for England, can't really beat that. Alright I know he was a Luton fan, but he had all the natural physical attributes as a keeper, (just not quite there in his mental attributes to be a top player) and to think Simon Sheppard was even more highly rated at first!

    One of my greatest moments was having a training session with him and Rod Thomas, both unbelievable prospects.
     
  8. Timbers

    Timbers Apeman

    Shamefully, probably Maps and then Doyley?
     
  9. Guy

    Guy Squad Player

    Luke O Nien ?
     
  10. HEY HO

    HEY HO Academy Graduate

    Tommie Hoban?
     
  11. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Doyley?
     
  12. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    I think you might be right and if you are it certainly is shameful
     
  13. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Rod Thomas: once billed as the ‘next Pelé’.
     
  14. Graham Lister

    Graham Lister Academy Graduate

    Dominic Blizzard.
     
  15. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    McNamee was a more exciting talent than Young but he just didn't kick on.
     
  16. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Sancho is probably the best but I don't count him as he played for us
     
  17. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    Lee Hodson was a good player. I recall sitting at a pre season friendly at Northampton and people getting on his back for not playing higher, and his mum was sat directly behind me desperately trying to defend him as the managers instructions (MM I believe) were to not cross the half way line.

    I can also remember walking out of the training ground just a couple of months after his debut and he was parking a huge and fully loaded Audi that looked wildly out of place with such a young lad getting out of it.
     
  18. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Exciting to the fans, yes. I well remember his debut. However, I also remember Ray Lewington appearing on Sky early on in his time as manager and talking about Ashley Young, who had barely made a first team appearance by then. He said that he and his coaching staff were sure they had an exceptional talent on their hands who would go on to have a great career at the top of the game. He was right and I think fans have to accept that, in general, those whose career is in football do know more about it than we do.
     
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  19. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    I think he had the ability to have done far more than he did in the game. He was a huge talent. Either way nobody can diminish what Young did with his career, especially after starting it with rejection which he had to react to.
     
  20. EB Hornet

    EB Hornet Reservist

    Ok so firstly thanks to everyone for the names put out there.

    So I have a follow up question for you all. It appears we are bringing through fewer players into the first team. So we are getting less benefit.

    If you consider the costs, how would you all feel if we scrapped the whole youth set up , right from whatever age it starts at (U’8’s?) all the way to U23. Instead we have an old fashioned reserve side, cut our playing staff right down. Pick up decent prospects released from other clubs on short term deals instead to be mixed in with the first team squad needing game time.

    Seems to me we are fighting a losing battle because we can’t get the most talented youngsters join us, if we do get one they can get poached easily anyway so it’s all wasted money surely?

    From top to bottom how much will our entire youth set up cost over a year? £1m? More?
     
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  21. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    What happened to that B team idea or did that go when Andy Scott left ?
     
  22. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Sean Murray would have been a hell of a player if his attitude had been better.
     
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  23. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    I agree. He had the sense to turn down Man City which looked like he was confident enough in his ability to kick on and work his way up rather than take the easy route. A shame as he was brilliant to watch when he first started playing.
     
  24. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    But, he's ended up a Scummer.
     
  25. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

  26. Timbers

    Timbers Apeman

    When we were previously in the Championship, we were still getting kids choose us as the prospect of getting a chance in the first team were greater. When the Pozzo regime started and Premier league promotion occurred, I suppose quite rightly, the club focused less so on it. To be a Premier league club and having a youth system being category 3 or whatever was pretty embarrassing as we were playing the likes of Stevenage etc and not top flight reserve and youth teams. I think you either go all in and spend big or not at all nowadays, and go the B team route.

    We are starting to see benches full of youth players again due to the league rules and the current situation, so things might change again but I doubt it. If I was the Pozzos, I would go the B team route, if I was just a fan, I would go and focus on the academy. To be honest, I would take league 1 football if we had a team of home-grown, young and enthusiastic players with a real connection to Watford and the community, but I know I would be in the minority there. A team of young Luke O'Nein running his backside off pre-match, so enthused to be training with the first team, and Gavin Massey, walking from his front door 2 minutes along to Vicarage Road would be a dream.
     
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  27. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Thinking back to David James Tim Sherwood broke into the team around the same time. A local lad from Borehamwood. Rather unpopular now especially at Coventry for some of the reasons Deeney has made himself unpopular. Still won a league title with Blackburn and was a core player at Tottenham even picking up some England caps.
     
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  28. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Scott must have said something Meathead did not appreciate or did not want to invest in. So Andy comes to the club. He is given a directive to improve youth recruitment from the lower leagues. He does his job as at Brentford identifying players and then brings the list to Ginocchio and Meathead. They probably don't countenance it that a minion is actually doing what they want in the right way. Scott is rightly frustrated as many others have been by their stubbornness and decides enough is enough. Shame really as it is exactly what the club needs.
     
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2021
  29. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Sordell had the ability to be a PL player as well. Unfortunately as we all know he had other issues which we of course wish him the best with. Murray is incredibly frustrating. Panache and technical ability to be a PL player as well and just tailed off.
     
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  30. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member


    It is fair to say we have been through a few youth coaches and scouts as @The Recluse might testify !

    Some maybe moves on out of choice of course but not sure others have left on good terms ?
     
  31. Aymondo

    Aymondo First Year Pro

    John Joe O'Toole was a weird one, burst through, did well, then tailed off as fast as he burst through.
     
  32. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Off the field issues, poor trainer. Shame as he could box to box and be a threat at either end. Matured at the Cobblers and remains a firm favourite there. Not enough intelligence or subtlety to play higher up the pyramid. A force of phsyical nature and sheer determination instead. Diagouraga is a similar player although he played at a higher level for longer with Brentford. Parisian but joined our Academy at sixteen after playing against it.
     
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  33. sherwood

    sherwood Academy Graduate

    Maeby not the best ones but Ian Richardson and Harry Forrester.
     
  34. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  35. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    No idea - not heard about him for ages.
     

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