Barnsley 1-0 Watford Fc - 31/10/2020

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by Smudger, Oct 28, 2020.

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Who Will Win ?

Poll closed Oct 30, 2020.
  1. Watford by 3 goals or more

    9 vote(s)
    13.6%
  2. Watford by 2 goals or more

    8 vote(s)
    12.1%
  3. Watford by 1 goal

    11 vote(s)
    16.7%
  4. Score Draw

    7 vote(s)
    10.6%
  5. No Score Draw

    6 vote(s)
    9.1%
  6. Barnsley by one goal

    5 vote(s)
    7.6%
  7. Barnsley by two goals

    9 vote(s)
    13.6%
  8. Barnsley by three goals or more

    4 vote(s)
    6.1%
  9. I have had it up to here with the Watford hierarchy

    1 vote(s)
    1.5%
  10. Let us hope they can pass the ball to each other

    6 vote(s)
    9.1%
  1. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    A perfect summary
     
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  2. Watfordftw

    Watfordftw Reservist

    Given the performances, would we be favourites in either of those games now? Hard to make a case, even when we're winning Ben Foster is usually man of the match.
     
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  3. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    We did get the ball out wide a few times but as you say the final cross was generally poor.
     
  4. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    A Jekyll and Hyde team HD. Doesn't really matter though if we play like we did this again. They will nick one and it will be midnight before we even muster a shot on target. Still if you listen to Robbo and Smoggie get your pass NOW. No need for negativity we're building nicely as a side. Just ironing out a few crinkles here and there.
     
  5. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Vlad ? We would do better with Vlad Tepes as coach. Might inspire the fear of god into some of the players. Disgraceful performance again.
     
  6. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    I agree with @Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    We must play a striker, even if it's Murray. Ivic has a football brain does he not? What side do you take to Barnsley a team with a striker. Murray created a chance at Wycombe, he isn't totally useless, and Gray needs time to bed in with Sub appearances.
     
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  7. reids

    reids First Team

    Largely terrible display, they pressed our midfield so well - Capoue and Chalobah looked awful. Chalobah went in to HT with a pass accuracy of 48% (and ended at 51%). Capoue was also wasteful and got dispossessed a number of times - the times he didn't he tried Hollywood balls with mixed success. On the positive side we tore up their left flank a number of times (which has lead to a couple of goals so far this season) but couldn't convert that into shots.

    Corners again largely aimed into that same area as the rest of the season (although a close chance by Wilmot - funnily enough NOT in that area). Lots to work on and hope we abandon the 3-5-2 soon.
     
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  8. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Delivered into the near post on the six yard line. Pity the poor connection from Wilmot otherwise a certain goal. Sema's left foot the provider again with the short corner routine against the Boro.
     
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  9. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    I cannot fathom how so many professional athletes can fail to do entry level skills.
    I had more joy with a six year old player today who exhibited sheer joy at running,hitting,learning. She can already recognise and play topspin, slice and read differing heights for volleying. she ENJOYS it.
    Where's the joy in our team,where's the freedom and bravery to take control?
    Fear has gripped this team,our club and it needs to change.
    I have been a fervent fan of Gino but I'm doubting now if he has the plan to repair this model.
     
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  10. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    No - he is worse than totally useless.

    Have you watched Murray this season? It is like playing with 10 men.
     
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  11. onion8837

    onion8837 Reservist

    I used to think “ooh great, the Championship - another game midweek”. Now i think “oh ****, the Championship - another game midweek”
     
  12. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Didn't get the ball to him nearly enough, far too often the ball was fed to Sarr who wasted it
     
  13. lutonh8a

    lutonh8a Squad Player

    To be honest I have to disagree about Sarrs maturity levels, I thought he was too good for Barnsley and caused them plenty of problems with better movement and finishing he would have had 3 assists, the problem is he is simply not a central striker at any level. Secondly I think that the passing round the back was because of a reluctance to play more direct to our forwards because the players knew that we wasn't likely to keep it. He did throw Gray on late but yeah I agree he could have put Murray on, although Glen is a bit **** nowadays.
     
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  14. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    We were constantly hitting long balls out to Sarr on the right flank, or sometimes to Kiko who pushed up a lot as well. This pass became more frequent over the second half, usually made by Capoue. The issue was that subsequently Sarr either messed up the final cross after easily skinning their full-hack (usually hitting the first man), or the few times he did put a decent ball in there was no one actually in the box to get on the end of it as JP is powder puff and the rest of our players are slow as anything.
     
  15. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Granted this is coming from a position of desperation, but...Sarr and Pedro is quite clearly not working, they played quite well with each other against L*ton last month, but since then it's almost as if they're not even on the same pitch they're so far apart. Neither of them get in the box to make a target for the crosser (Sarr in many cases), and neither of them are an option with the long ball if we need a plan B. You say Murray has been useless so far, and that's true, but Pedro has been utterly anonymous two games running now, and the previous game he started was against Blackburn where they just completely played into our hands-you don't get too many Championship sides who are that easy to play against (apart from us it seems). I mean, Murray has to get better, right? He can't be as bad as he has been surely?
     
  16. J.B

    J.B First Team

    Is Murray injured or has the player we signed less than two months ago (presumably after an at least basic level of scouting and fitness and medical tests) been deemed not good enough to even make the match day squad despite him supposedly being exactly the type of player that we are desperately crying out for right now?

    Surely the greatest scouting network in the world haven't signed a player who is completely past it as a professional athlete as a result of not carrying out even the simplest level of due diligence?
     
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  17. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Surely that just meant he was trying lots of ambitious balls to make a scoring opportunity?! ;)
     
  18. Heidar

    Heidar Squad Player

    Been a while but I think it's time to say:

    This isn't working
     
  19. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    Hi folks. Been out all day, just checked the result on BBC website hoping to see a win and 3 points. Oh dear. No points and no shots on target. Don't look like it was any better than the Wycombe game reading the comments.

    Plus point. Still in a play off place. Another possible plus point. Hughes and Gray full games imminent.
     
  20. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    I have yes, and I agree he is awful, but we have no other target man who could make a possible run into the box. As I said, Gray is still risky to play 90mins, so why not try Murray for 75 then switch in Gray. It's better than playing tip tap football through a non existent midfield.
     
  21. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Gino will know what to do.
     
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  22. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Ftfy
     
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  23. reids

    reids First Team

    I wish that was the case, but sadly it wasn't!
     
  24. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky First Year Pro

    Probably buy a 17 year old South American who will make one appearance in the cup before disappearing never to be seen again.
     
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  25. Malteser2

    Malteser2 Reservist

    On this sad day regarding Sean Connery, 007 is also the number of goals our players have scored in the league so far this season.
     
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  26. J.B

    J.B First Team

    If only our team were as good at hitting the target as he was at hitting women.
     
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  27. Malteser2

    Malteser2 Reservist

    Sadly it seems after Wycombe our players were shaken but not stirred to react with a win.
     
  28. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    Whilst he was decimalising Moneypenny we have been decimated by some kind of lethargy and ineptitude.
     
  29. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Justworkedouthowtochange

    As a happy clapper I am neither happy or clapping

    we have no end product. I missed the first 20 mins, Barnsley never really looked like scoring another in the bit of the game I saw , but we don’t seem to understand the need to put the ball into the box, we just **** around trying to run it in which gets us nowhere
     
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  30. WatfordÉire

    WatfordÉire Squad Player

    It took me 10mins to get a stream working, and when one finally did and I saw we were 1-0 down, I immediately turned it off and went about my day, I knew what was coming.

    I'd really like it to work for Vlad, but he seriously needs to grow a pair and stop playing 5 at the back against these teams. He must feel doing so is the only way to keep us defensively solid, but we're even leaking goals now.

    We've no creativity in midfield, but one way around this is to simply get bodies forward in advanced positions, but playing 5 at the back prevents this, and sees us playing the ball to Sarr (who is out of form) and hoping he creates something.

    Currently we're play a certain system because we supposedly don't have a player the suits one position (LB), but in playing this system we're actually affecting numerous other players by playing them in positions that it doesn't suit, have a greater overall negative effect on the team.

    Stoke is a big game now.
     
  31. Dorset-Orn

    Dorset-Orn First Year Pro

    You might be right about Sarr, he was good in the Prem, but I just watched Sarr today with his lost look, and wondered if he suddenly felt it was all too much. (especially after his non celebration last week after scoring)
    Agree he will be fine with the right striker to aim for....
    I have a feeling vlad has lost the players tbh....
     
  32. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    We have the players that should scare most sides in this league....if we set up in an attacking formation with offensive intent. Ivic seems averse even to consider that, so for me, the initial view of ‘good enough until he has a full deck to play with’ has now dissipated. He seems to only want to play turgid risk-averse sh1te with players that can’t defend in a league that will always batter against any defensive wall until it cracks. It takes a certain level of perverse skill to convert Sarr & Pedro into pedestrian gophers.
     
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  33. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Again? What manager do they want? I've never known a side like ours to continually lose faith with managers like they do. Put a bucket of sheep slop in charge and it wouldn't last a month.
     
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  34. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    As we have some really promising attacking talent, imagine just how soul-destroying the whole squad must feel with the non-football they are being asked to play.
     
  35. lutonh8a

    lutonh8a Squad Player

    I think he skimmed his man almost every time he had any space to do so and if Cleverley had put his chance in from six yards out and Jaoa Pedro had made a couple of better runs then people would be saying that he had a good game.
     
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  36. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    Today was the first game where I'm worried we won't make automatics. We lack a bite in midfield and calmness at the back to make Ivic's system work effectively. Ivic needs to change from a back 5 now and implement his 4-3-3 now we're starting to see the current system show it's flaws in earnest, at latest after the international break.

    We looked like a team who lack a belief in our defence. Missing a LCB and LB are killing our chances; Wilmot having to play inside on his strong foot rather than have a natural left footed player who can carry it wider and away from pressure. Sema is wasted further back as his deliveries are vicious.

    We're still in decent shape but we know have to learn and step up.
     

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