Was just thinking the same after watching the end of their game. Their team against ours on paper shouldn't really be comparable yet their fighting spirit pushes way above ours which is pretty much non-existent. We could learn a bit from watching them.
I agree with this. I don't like Bournemouth but the way they give it a right go against the big boys, as do Boro and Burnley really put us to shame. Bournemouth and Burnley have beaten Liverpool this season whereas we allowed them to totally outclass us, the same thing happened against Arsenal. There is no shame in losing to the bigger sides, but they should not be allowed to make mugs of us. We are a much better team than that, yet it happened, and I put that down to extreme naivety by the coach. I'm hoping he's learnt his lesson or else we'll need another calculator at the Etihad in a couple of weeks....even without Aguero.
I watched the Bournemouth game today. They got a good result, but the one memory I'll take away from that game was their disgusting timewasting, swarming of the referee, timewasting and above everything else their diving. They were genuinely beyond parody today and it was laughable to watch. I know that we are no angels, but if that's the price to pay for seeing 'exciting football' then you can keep it. Any enjoyment that could be taken from such a high-scoring, dramatic game was cancelled out by their disgraceful antics.
:happy1::happy1::happy1::happy1::elton:explains the way you think.Atleast they try to win games instead of playing backwards sideways and there manager is passionate and try's to play attacking football and can commacate with the fans and players.
Well that doesn't surprise me. You spent 2 hours on the Shoutbox trying to wind everyone else up by posting childish and incorrect incidents/events all through the game, then at the end, told us that you genuinely couldn't care less whether Watford won or lost.
I struggle to see what this has to do with the Bournemouth game, but OK I'll indulge you as you've clearly got a bee in your bonnet. I went along with a joke that numerous people were making about Rondon being sent off by saying once or twice over a 10 minute period that he had been sent off, making it clear that I was joking by adding that it was for racism. Funnily enough I was the only person you chose to take issue with regarding that despite many others making the same joke on more occasions than I did. I wonder why? And I said that I couldn't care less when someone mentioned that Doucoure frequents shisha bars, not that I couldn't care less about the outcome of the game. But hey, please don't let the truth get in the way of a good story, you never usually do.
I often wonder where we would be today if we had kept Sean Dyche. I honestly feel we would be playing with a lot more passion!
You've done it now ZZtop to come in and tell lies about you before slinking off without a word after they are conclusively dispelled in 3....2....1....
I'm sorry, but this sentiment is nonsense. This Watford side has issues but effort & a desire to give it ago isnt one of them. If that was genuinly the case then we wouldnt have beated Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Leicester and taken poitns off Chelsea twice in the last season and abit. We wouldnt have come back from 2 down against West Ham and even in the defeats against Arsenal/West Brom we kept trying to get back into the game right until the end. I wouldnt necessarily agree we were outclassed by Liverpool either tbh. That defeat was as much down to the way we kept repeatedly making giving the ball away in dangerous areas and other similar mistakes then to Liverpool outplaying us. And we appear to have learnt from it in regards to ball retention at least.
It's got nothing to do with heart and desire, it's about being prepared correctly and employing tactics which will nullify the opponents strengths.......rather than play to them. It's no surprise to me on the Opta stats Watford are near the bottom of meters run in games. We do not press opponents enough and close them down when they have the ball. When we have done this, such as against United and Chelsea, it produced a very decent performance. Of course you run the risk of running out of steam, but at least you are having a go, and this is what I mean by that comment. There have been too many games where it looks like Watford are going through the motions, making only a token effort, then getting frustrated with their own inabilities, which manifests in petulant outbursts towards the "enemy" referee. I believe this dissent is a reflection on how the coach wants the players to behave, and he seems surprised when they are punished by it.
I dont think anyone is disagreeing with your point that there are some major issues that the team needs to deal with. That would be the case with most of the teams in this league or any league. We have discipline problems, set piece issues offensively and defensively, but there are plenty of things that are working well which is why we ve accrued 18 points so far and sit 11th. Its your statement that after 14 games it is clear that Mazzarri isnt a good manager and your prediction that he will be sacked in the next 3 or 4 games, that I dont think is based on reality.
I assume this is a joke. We lost 6-1. 6 f***ing 1. What is your definition of being outclassed then? We made mistakes and they punished us for them. Doesn't that suggest a difference in class?
This is a good reply and I welcome your comments. It's refreshing to hear from someone that actually raises good points, rather than takes the p**s or tells you how wrong you are. You say he's done plenty of good things, and I would genuinely like to hear what these are, but please don't fall into the trap of thinking we're 11th with 18 points is the answer to this. It's a superficial understanding as I honestly believe we are 6 points better off than we should be, going solely on performances. I would like to correct you on your final paragraph. I predict he will probably be relieved of his duties ONLY if we lose the next 3 and carry on with our poor form. Personally I think we will lose all three, but that's just going on the reasoning our performances of the last 8 games will be replicated. They may suddenly click into resembling a team I know this squad can be and if that is the case, then he won't be going anywhere. Put it this way, the Pozzo's rate this guy highly and will give him every benefit, but if we lose the next 3 on the back of a handful of questionable performances, then I think he will probably go. The Pozzo's have a bit of a blind spot when it comes to hiring, but they are usually spot on in identifying when a change is required. Finally I honestly hope I'm very wrong about this, as the club does need stability........but the we do have to be progressing in the right direction.
Yeah, right. We gave it a right good go against Stoke, didn't we. And Burnley. Games we might have expected to get something out of. In contrast to Muff today, especially when 3-1 down.
They've been chasing him for 3 years. They're not going to sack him in December even if we lose every game.
Do you not think a lot of the problems you highlight are inherited rather than his doing? There are so many long term trends playing out here. To blame it all on Mazzarri is ridiculous and I'm sure Gino knows that. Read what Luke Dowling said this week. That wasn't a high profile vote of confidence, it was a statement of intent.
Of course not. Have you seen our squad? Before the season started many were saying it's the best squad Watford have ever had in their history.....certainly it's one that has cost the most to assemble. It's ridiculous to suggest that he is doing the best he can with limited, or damaged goods. He should be getting far better performances out of the team than he has been to date. I am seriously surprised at the difficulty the team are finding it playing under him. It's got to be down to the tactics, coaching, system and mentality that they are being exposed to that is causing it, rather than any inherent problem.
What difficulty? Is there a parallel universe out there where we're 20th propping up the table with only a couple of plucky draws to our name? At least it's now crystal clear that it's your expectations which are heavily influencing your view of things. That's fine, it's perfectly understandable. For me regardless of the financial cost of this squad the fact remains that the constant chopping and changing of head coaches has enabled certain issues to flourish and others to go unnoticed. I've been saying about the petulance and ill discipline for years but have mainly been told I was wrong and being unfair. And yeah I've seen our squad - a failed youth policy, more duds and misfits than solid signings every window and a lot of odd characters. You can't expect Mazzarri to arrive and magically solve that in a summer. It'll be a two to three year project to take this club through the growing pains of moving from upper Championship club to Premier League mainstays. He's the man they've courted for ages to do it. Let him get on with it I say.
Basically, the team struggles with any sort of adversity. Bournemouth seem to have an unwavering belief that they aren't beaten until the final whistle. Their comeback today is something we can only dream of. Yeah, we came back against West Ham, and after Man Utd equalised but West Ham are just awful and we caught United at exactly the right time. Whilst I'm not ignoring those two achievements, I never get the impression that we are ever going to recover from any deficit or from anything that happens on the pitch that stretches the players mentally. There's definitely a mentality issue, which I believe both causes our disciplinary issues, which are completely out of control at the moment and stops us royally in our tracks whenever a difficult moment strikes.
This is the only thing that influences your opinion. Had we got the result equalling performance this season, I think it's fair to say we'd been on only 12 points, which changes things dramatically. We've been rather fortunate to have gained 18 points, which is great and it's good to have a lucky coach, but you know somewhere along the line it will sort itself out. Some of what you say is true, but it still doesn't take away the forcing of a system that does not work for every occasion, making silly excuses for defeats, ill discipline which has certainly been allowed to flourish, the disconnect with the fans which is down to language, far too many na*ve formations and bland performances. I think a good coach would have us playing well by now with an identity. I do not have a clue as to what he is trying to achieve, but he does seem to be stubborn with sticking to 3 at the back even in situations such as at Liverpool when he elected to play Janmaat at centre back. There are many things that are not right. Put a case for the defence. To say give him time or he has inherent problems to solve is just a stalling tactic because there is nothing tangible to say in his favour.....unfortunately.....apart from an extra helping of undeserved points which does influence people's opinions.
If were to finish 14th this year do you think that is acceptable? If not what position would you accept as par?
Where do these lost 6 points come from that you keep harping on about anyway? Presumably you think we deserved to lose to Boro (I don't agree but whatever) and lose to Swansea. That's 4 points. However we were worth a point yesterday and against Chelsea so that is just minus 2. Presumably you grudgingly accept we deserved to beat Man Utd, Leicester, West Ham and Hull? You seem to simply have it in for Mazzari and will make up scenarios to fit your narrative.
Another one!!.....the same point is still being put forward. Why do so many fans not look beyond the result? It's all about performances, which over a season will reflect where you are as a team. Can people really not understand we've had a few lucky results which has elevated us higher than we deserve right now? All I want is to see progress. We need to enjoy the games and know we are a match for most. To beat us you've got to work bloody hard. In reality we are just slow and predictable when we attack, and an opponent's cross is like a new concept to our side.
So you will just judge by your own subjective standard which will change month to month. Managers have no chance with fans like you.
It's hardly just my standard. I think it's the standard most are judged by.......and I'm not the only one saying it. It's not unreasonable to ask for progressive improvement. If you are not aspiring for that, then what are you looking for? Of course it's clear, you just look at the result and league table without taking any other factor into it. Today you see no problem because we are higher than last season's final placement, but next week that could all change and we fall below it.....how will you feel then? Play crap and you will be sacked. Play well consistently and you will be rewarded. Sorry to break it to you, but that's the way of the world in football.
