Just to explain by what I mean about the system. The system is not bad if executed well, but you need willing wing backs that will run twice as much as anyone else on the pitch. They have to cover in defence, midfield and be wingers. We do not have this type of player. This is why the opposition get so much time to deliver crosses. Even though we have three centre backs they continually fail to pick up their runners. I think the system works if you have players that are suited to it. We have to create a system which brings the best out of what we have. Three at the back does not suit us with the players we have. We have a coach that wants to play 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 and will keep using it regardless. Players seem to be all over the place with it....not knowing whether to stick or twist. He needs to find a way to create a team which is strong defensively and inventive going forward. We have the players to do it, but he seems unable to create this type of team. By now there should be signs of what we are going to be, but I see no evidence. Discipline is a joke and I think reflects the coach, who seems to be an angry man. Making enemies with officials will never do you any favours, just ask Mourinho.
Just read through the last few pages. Don't take this the wrong way, but you're like a hysterical old woman. I thank God people like you stay at home and only watch on the telly. Perhaps stick to Barcelona eh
I have generally agreed with you lately about our standard of play. But, as well as the results, we also need to look at our general performance, win or lose. If we win but dont play well we have both been keen to point that out the points hide the reality that we just havn't been very good. Yesterday was a marked improvement on our previous games. I get a number of Sunday papers and I am just looking at a table of stats. WBA (who are now 6th in the table) scored from their only 3 attempts on target, we had 5 on target. We had 7 blocked shots, they had none. We completed 334 psses, they 182. We put in 27 crosses they 21. We gave away 8 fouls, they 12. We had 59% possession, they 41% Yes, they scored twice from set pieces, yet again, and that is very worrying, but we also give very few chances away in open play compared to most teams. But I also think we are far to immobile going forward, with a distict lack of goalscoring ability, in my opinion. Our lack of quality up front exaggerates our issues at the back. But the effort was there and I am a little heartened by our performance yesterday - despite the result.
I'm not burying my head. I just refuse to panic and worry about things that really aren't that bad. If I look at the last 8 games 'as a whole' I see a very respectable mid table level of performance in the actual outcomes that matter. Yes we're frustratingly inconsistent and it hardly indicates an imminent kick on towards a serious challenge for European competition, but then I have zero expectation of that anytime soon anyway. We played well either side of being 2-0 down and controlled a lot of the play. 1-0 was avoidable and is in need of serious coaching work. But I can't imagine the ever-changing backline helps at all. 2-0 was a fluke goal, nothing you can do about that except avoid giving away the free kick in the first place I guess. At 2-1 it was all us. We'd have equalised without the melee I think. There was certainly only one team in it. Our forward line is currently so out of form it's become the literal opposite of last season when they were almost single-handedly responsible for our pre-Xmas placing. I find it curious but not particularly worrying. Players come in and out of form. There's a transfer window coming up. And injuries have really played havoc with the supply lines behind them. It's hard to build a strong rapport with the people feeding you the ball when they keep having to change. I actually happen to think a lot of pre-Mazzarri chickens are currently coming home to roost. We have a squad with some players not really up to the level, others with no clear role and some who just aren't in the image he would want. Either we give him time with Gino, Luke and Scott to sort it or we bin another head coach and start from scratch. I know which I favour. Either way blaming Mazzarri seems to completely miss the point to me. You've got me on the song point though. That is truly worrying and I hope someone raises it with Scott Duxbury at the fans' forum thing we have coming up.
Coming from someone who is called Relegation Certs, I'll take that your comments with the distain it deserves. I am a ST holder and go to every home match, even though I spend most of my time in Spain. Why you feel justified in making up stories about my non attendance only you can answer....but I guess being honest is just not your thing.
The problem with your whole argument is that you base it on how we are playing, yet when we do play well and lose you still spout the same stuff. By the way, the coaching staff obviously had tried to something about the corners - we marked zonally. It was obviously rubbish but they tried to do something.
Personally, I dont understand a zonal system. We need the taller, better headers of the ball marking their taller, better headers of the ball. Then they need to run with their players to attack the cross coming in. Not just try and jump from a standing position. Seems common sense to me.
Erm....yes.....would you think it more sensible to comment when we are not playing? To even try zonal making is crazy and makes me question the coaching staff even further. It is a flawed way of doing things and it always has been. Players just don't understand how to do it, even the top defenders. Play to the strengths of the players we already have. Maximise this, instead of introducing systems and policies that do not suit the squad. It's not rocket science. I'm not denying we played better than last week, but it is still short of the required level needed. The first goal was a terrible one to concede with players not doing their jobs. The second was unlucky, but the third could have been prevented. Kabasele could have blocked the shot but did not do enough to close it down. This is a problem, I just don't think we work hard enough as a team doing the closing down. We show too much petulance. Pereyra was fully deserving of his red card. He kicked out at McClean, ala Beckham against Simone, and it cost us a chance of a point. We cannot blame officials. We have to look at ourselves. It seems we are just angry and feel hard done by. We are not at all, it is all our own doing. I heard that we should have been given a cast iron penalty for a foul on Pereyra. Wrong again, Foster made a perfectly time tackle and got the ball. All these perceived injustices are nothing of the sort. It's not just me thinking these things. Here's a piece that virtually echo's my sentiments.....and no I didn't write it. http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co....antics-okaka/story-29956230-detail/story.html
In some ways I'm happy that Pereyra will now be suspended especially with Success coming back. Since we've shifted from two at the top to one we've had a huge threat down one side (Amrabat - who has been our best player so far this season) and nothing down the other from Pereyra (bar Leicester). Hopefully now we will have pace and trickery down both wings something we've not had this season so far and something we were crying out for under QSF last season. I think being forced to drop Pereyra could be a blessing in disguise.
We need two post match threads - one for attendees, the other for non-attendees - I know which one I will read first. The whole Nyom situation yesterday began in the first half with the WBA fans singing "he left cos you're ****" we quickly responded with "he's always been ****" and this chanting went on through the match and was presumably loud enough to be heard on the pitch. His performance was not good enough or bad enough to attract attention otherwise and generally we are respectful of ex-'Orns.
Pereyra will be nicely rested for the Christmas / New Year fixtures - as long as he avoids injuries in training!
I used to go to most games every season, but lately, due to personal circumstances I only go to about 10 a season. In my opinion, I actually get a better view of many aspects of the game at home watching on live TV with the benefit of replays, slow motion, in depth discussion of particular incidents. Regularly, when at matches, I get taken in by the atmosphere and sometimes can't help being fooled when making judgements on individual incidents, often 130 yards away, only to see that I got it completely wrong after seeing the replays at home. I much prefer the match day experience of going to support my club, but I can't often do it. But that does not make my opinion any less relevant than those that go - on most issues.
Sorry - I didn't mean to open up any sort of "I'm a better fan than you" debate - and I didn't say that I wouldn't read both threads! If it's a discussion about a marginal offside decision at the other end of the ground - anyone viewing the match away from the ground has the advantage everytime, but regarding the atmosphere and some of the peripheral stuff it's better commented on by those who were there.
People that don't watch the match live are always the biggest moaners. It was ever thus. When we're **** fine, moan your heart out, I know I do, but yesterday we were far from ****. Yet the same old people are still calling for the managers head etc. It's amusing more than anything
Can anyone translate this, I don't speak jive. Is this just hilarious 'banter' or are they really calling him out for having no friends? They are fully grown adults right?
What a load of ****-e.People that go to games pal are a lot more involved with the games and get a lot more emotional and moan and go crazy at decisions.I want the manager to go,he has no relationship with the fans can't speak English and to play pereyra out of position all the time is complete madness when we are lacking in attack,I am sick of all this Italian style of play boring moving the ball around slow when we have the ball,boring boring football to watch backward sideways passing if we are not careful we are going to make a big slid down the table carrying on the way we are.I say bench Deeney and play Success up top with the bat and Pereyra behind and start to have a go at teams.I say get big Sam in to do the job.
We were pretty decent yesterday - WBA boards acknowledge for the most part they got away with one. As for our goalscoring threat, can I just say we've scored as many as Man U. This is the PL.
So are you enjoying watching the ****e that's being served up?What would you suggest?and don't avoid the questions like you always do.
There is no end product.Deeney is running around like a headless chicken huffing and puffing he is so unfit he can't even keep up with play+ Man Utd have been the ****ess they have been for years.
If only highgrade was self-aware enough to appreciate the hilarity of someone as painfully thick as him giving someone with the experience and honours of Mazzarri in-depth instructions about how to set up a team.
I don't care about his honours.He can't be that clever if he can't pick up the English language.He has no relationship with the fans and sets up to play boring football,he will not last long you wait and see if he gets no points out off the next 3 matches he will be gone.I you still going to big him up then?
What do you mean there is no end product? We have scored as many or more than 13 teams. Does it matter if Deeney and Ighalo aren't scoring if Capoue, Pereyra, Janmaat, Kabasele, Zuniga, Holebas etc are? Are you so ****ing dumb/spoilt that you can't see what a massive step up the PL is? (don't answer that). And yes, I quite enjoyed yesterday, thought Stoke was shyte, really enjoyed Lesta, Man U, West Ham, bored at Swansea, couldn't be arsed to go to Burnley, etc, etc, etc. What do you expect? (I don't know why i'm responding as I had convinced myself that highgrade was a troll, but somehow, maybe, it is possible for a real person to be as dim-witted as highgrade appears to be)
He's been here a couple of months and still has a better grasp on it than you. I'd pay good money to see you try and properly learn English, let alone Italian.
13 out of 20 that's good,And conceded a lot more than most teams.I agree West Ham,Man Utd and,Leicester were good games to watch.The rest have been like watching paint dry.The style of football we are playing is boring to watch and like I said carrying on playing like we are and we will being making a slide down the table.
You are obsessed with languages and with people who can't write English grammar are you a headmaster?
How do you define a "distinct improvement" in our performance though? We were pretty appalling defensively and conceded three times as many goals as last week. I think you could say the attacking aspect of our performance was an improvement, but that is only one part of a bigger picture.
High point of the season so far is the quality and consistency of Amrabat. Barring last week he's been fantastic. There's still some out there trying to convince us that Amrabat's a waste of space and that Quique will never play the long ball. Until they smell the coffee, we will have to resign ourselves to reading passionate and forthright declarations that red is green and elephants are blue and white polka dot. Identifying the mediocrity of a season as the high point is the mark of a negative attitude, not a balanced or positive outlook. That's great if that's how you deal with it, but it would be more appropriate if you made it clear that the mediocrity would be the high point for you, rather than implying it would be for all of us, because temporary setbacks aside, I am seeing some very positive highlights this season, despite the occasional setback. I imagine that is the case for the majority of us, and I question your comment here because I don't think your opinion reflects Watford fans and misrepresents us as spoiled, negative and a little petulent.
Nonsense. I didn't go last week and I didn't go this week. I moaned like **** after last week, I didn't this week. Read my posts! They reflect my opinion on how we played. Two of the posters that are most vociferously negative about Mazzari on here attend games regularly. On another subject, it has to be said, as much as I dislike Muff, I admire the way they play (in general). WFC/Muff = chalk/cheese. A cracking comeback today against the team we just gave up against a couple of week so ago and got hammered.
With regards Mazzari's English, I thought he was living here for a year in Manchester beforehand or was it just a few months? I am not too sure who scouts the opposition but even Mazzari must have heard of Pulis before, anyone who has seen WBA or Stoke when under him know how good they are at set pieces but we were appalling. It's quite simple, by zonally marking we allowed WBA to get a run on us to set pieces and attack the ball, whilst our defense were static. If that is how we are to set up, the keeper has to take command and come out and catch the ball, clearing whoever is in his way, Gomes failed to do that for the first goal and it is something that seems to be occurring more often than not recently, like last week. I wouldn't change him at the moment because despite being the height of the cross-bar, I think Pantilimon is even worse at attacking crosses but it is something that we need to look at now as he doesn't seem to have the spring in his step like a season or so ago. I was impressed with Kabalele at the back with Prodl, who is possibly player of the season so far (alongside the yet again impressive Amrabat) but the midfield failed us again and this meant Deeney was feeding on scraps, became agitated and that is when his body language becomes a negative influence of the players. Guedioura offers energy but that is it, clumsy foul for the second goal and ineffectual all day, he is mid championship at best and Capoue is not able to influence the play enough due to his slow build up in play. Okaka is definitely not a starter, more of an impact player and it was interesting to see him and Deeney have a complete barney in the second half, not sure they are a potential partnership in the future! If I am being honest, I thought every time our players got tackled (bar the Pereyera incident) they were looking to go down, roll around and get the opposition in trouble, I hate this, Okaka went down slower than the Titantic at one point, embarrassing. They need to grow a pair but instead would moan at the referee, waving arms and failing about, It is no wonder we do not get the rub of the green with decisions.
