(5) William Troost-ekong

Discussion in 'The Team Bus' started by nornironhorn, Sep 30, 2020.

  1. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Tonight was a boost for sure, but I'm not getting too ahead of myself! Probably slightly underdogs to get promoted at this vantage point, whether automatically or through the play-offs, and regardless, I think we'll keep Sierralta, there'll be others who will be more in demand I suspect
     
  2. Ágætis Byrjun

    Ágætis Byrjun Reservist

    Good interview on Hive Live Extra. Can see why he's captain of Nigeria and a real leader here.

    Didn't skirt around the questions about "the meeting".

    I think the way that he can communicate with Kiko, Sierralta, Masina, Bachmann and Hughes in several languages makes him an essential ingredient of our excellent defence.
     
  3. wingco

    wingco First Year Pro

    I have yet to really see what he's good at. For his size he's not particularly dominant, and he has that weird Geijo-esque gait.

    He'd be handing assists out like sweets in the Prem, and I pray to god they have no intention of keeping him
     
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  4. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Yup. Largely gets away with it at this level as most opponents want to then take 10 touches or to work the easiest sight of goal. Whereas Kevin De Bruyne or Mo Salah will just smash it in first time.
     
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  5. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    I think he’s OK defensively at this level but he is possibly the worst passer of a football that I’ve ever seen.

    Shouldn’t be anything more than fourth choice in the Premier League.
     
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  6. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    IMO he cannot be with us should we be in the Prem next season .
    I thought Britos distribution was bad but Troost is a different level .
    Top sides will look to give Troost possession then pick up the 2cnd ball
    misplaced square pass etc .....and score .
     
  7. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    I've literally never seen/known a centre back to do what WTE does in terms of reacting to the panic of not seeing an open passing route by lazily floating a slow lofted ball directly across our penalty box straight into the possession of an opposition attacker, and I just can't make any sense of it whatsoever.

    Doing it once ever is a tad baffling, because it is so counter to the fundamental instincts of any player in his position (or at least what those should be) and yet he has done it so many times, throughout the season.

    Pundits love to complain about John Stones, say, and say 'just get rid of it', but even his examples of embarrassing defending are just overplaying and getting caught out having too much faith in his own ability with the ball - it's levels above what WTE does in those situations.

    It's such a shame, because he seems like a very impressive character and leader, but it absolutely cannot be ignored.
     
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  8. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    We'd have to play in a different way if we go up. We cannot play out from the back as we're doing this season. It would be suicide. We're just no good at it and would be punished heavily. WTE is a poor passer but seems to lack awareness of this, which is troubling.

    He's a decent enough defender though. A leader and good person to have around the place. A proper professional. I like this type of character a lot, and is why I want him to succeed.

    Sierralta, Kabs and WTE would be a good enough trio as long as we bring in another CB, but one who would be a first team regular, with Kabs and WTE as squad players. I think time is up on Cathcart.
     
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  9. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    He seems to lack awareness in the heat of the moment but based on the Athletic article a couple of months ago it’s clear he knows it’s an issue and he works with his own analyst to identify weaknesses in his game.

    I’d love him to succeed too but can’t see past him being a liability in the PL.
     
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  10. RS2

    RS2 Reservist

    He's a decent sized unit but has been barged to the floor quite a few times this season, most notably by Armstrong vs Blackburn who is half his size. He doesn't seem to be able to tackle properly either.

    If he's in the team for leadership reasons then I can't really argue because our defensive record has been superb, but I'm really struggling to see what he is actually good at as a footballer.

    Kabasele is a nightmare with the ball at his feet as well but he can at least do the basics like win a header or a tackle, things that seem beyond Troost-Ekong. I know people aren't in favour of Cathcart for some reason but I think he's streets ahead of Troost-Ekong in terms of ability. It was noticeable how we were better at keeping the ball after Cathcart came on, I think there were only one or two long balls played in the time he was on?
     
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  11. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    What’s become of poor old Wilmot? Thought he had a decent season before he vanished from contention.
     
  12. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    Ha, I had this very thought earlier this evening. I even tried to look up who he’d gone on loan to, because it’s been so long.

    Completely forgot he still existed, such has been his banishing.
     
  13. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    He's not strong enough for the Championship right now. He gets ragdolled around by burly, but limited strikers. Uncomfortable truth perhaps but he's our fifth best centre back at the moment.
     
  14. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    A shame, it'd be better for him if we were the mid-table Championship club we were a decade ago, he'd get games and would develop, but alas we can't just put Wilmot in willy-nilly in the heat of a promotion chase. If we go up this season, he'll almost certainly go out on loan, might even do if we don't go up
     
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  15. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    I think in terms of defensive ability, Kabasele is streets ahead of everyone apart from possibly Sierralta, but is liable to the odd brainfart and isn't too comfortable with the ball at his feet. Maybe with Sierralta holding his hand he could cut those errors out, even in the Premier League, although for now I don't know if I'd risk breaking up a partnership which has worked well. Cathcart is still solid at this level, and is better with the ball at his feet, but we saw at Bournemouth what can happen when even the weaker of a settled defensive partnership is dropped
     
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  16. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    It's odd with Kabs. Considering he started as a forward you'd have thought he would be better on the ball. But agree Kabs on his day is ahead for me too, even with the lapses in concentration. But a new CB is a must. I did notice were being linked witha Sheff United left footed CB.
     
  17. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Yeah, as I said in the post-match, I think in the Prem/in general the sun has mostly set on Cathcart and his maddening insistence on banging loose balls back into no-man's land rather than bringing them down (which I made a delightful little screenshot post on at the time) embodied the profligacy and lack of responsibility that afflicted us on our way to relegation, however, I'd be perfectly happy to see him in the backline for the rest of this season if Kabasele isn't deemed fit. We cannot possibly have WTE pulling his tricks around Toney or Ayew.
     
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  18. Since63

    Since63 Reservist

    Exactly the way Boro approached it, apart from the scoring bit
     
  19. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    I have to admit I am not convinced about him, though he does appear to have leadership qualities and has done OK if not great, so he probably has earned a spot in out PL squad, though probably as backup and bench.
     
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  20. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Yes - better leader than footballer.
     
  21. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Certainly keep him in the squad, but only as 3rd or 4th choice. Ideally we'll sign a new CB, but even if not, I think I'd rather have Kabasele in the team in his place
     
  22. This seems to be the approach Udinese had taken. Good to have him in the squad but not the first 11.
     
  23. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    I'm also unconvinced by him. But I doubt if he was brought here for his distribution qualities. Players around him need to recognise that and be more mobile and visible around and in front giving him easy passing options, because once he tries to thread a ball through a gap, he fails more often than not.
     
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  24. Agreed but not sure why he's not just been told that, if no simple easy pass is on, hoof it into the space behind opposition LB or RB. Safety first and may end up creating something out of nothing. it makes no sense for him to attempt a high risk pass when a simple pass isn't on. Under a high press in the prem there is barely any point in him even trying to retain possession. It's just too high risk. A good defender but he won't ever become a good passer at this stage in his career - that boat has sailed.
     
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  25. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Agreed. He was the right man at the right time for lots of reasons. But it's going against the grain these days to bring in defenders who aren't capable at distributing the ball under pressure and over different ranges. So I hope we're on the look out for an even better replacement.
     
  26. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Prime example last night was Liverpool didn't mind going long and hitting the spaces even from the keeper. They knew the two CB's aren't up to playing out from the back. United on the other hand effed about with it and got caught so many times. I don't mind it on occasions but it shouldn't be set in stone to play out from the back.
     
  27. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    i agree, i would have no problem with the centre backs hitting long balls into space. it is however imperative that it doesnt become the sole feature of our forward play as it did under Quique.
     
  28. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Lovely bloke, shyt footballer.

    If he's first choice next season we're doomed.

    We have a lot of players who have blinded our fans to the fact that they are shyt at football because they come across well in interviews (WTE/Bachmann), smile a lot (Sema), huff and puff on the pitch (Cleverley) etc.

    I hope our owners are not also a bunch of sentimental ball bags.
     
  29. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Of course not. You need to mix the play up otherwise it's predictable and teams benefit from this. The example about United last night is an example imo, it was given to Liverpool who always press from the front. As soon as Greenwood came on and did go a little longer they were nearly back into the game, then for some reason the eff about at the back again like they're winning the game instead of chasing it. I personally don't understand this.
     
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  30. MIlton Dammers

    MIlton Dammers Reservist

    There will come a time when we look back at the era when every team played out from the back EVERY SINGLE ****ING TIME and laugh. They even do it in the National League now FML.
     
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  31. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    What's supposedly wrong with Bachmann? Yes he's made mistakes but imo has grown into the role. I'd be ok with him starting.
    Sema has his moments but should be nothing more than a squad player as the other two should.
    WTE is the biggest liability in your chosen players because of factors I've mentioned on many occasions and it's imperative that his position is looked at with regards to recruitment. If he does start along with Kiko teams will tear us a new one down our right.
     
  32. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    It always amazes me to see modern defenders passing the ball backwards and forwards across there own penalty box, because one of the first things I was taught when I started playing football was NOT to pass the ball across the front of your own penalty area.

    However, these days it seems to be the norm to do exactly that, and sure enough time and again they lose the ball and let the opposing attackers in on goal.

    Am I the only one who screams at the TV saying "Stop ******* about with the ball and get it up the field" :mad:
     
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  33. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Don't think he had enough to do in his half season to really prove if he's up to standard or not. Our team was so unbelievably good at restricting opponents chances in and around the box that he had it easy most of the time. I feel like we need an above average keeper, which Gomes definitely was, rather than one we're ok with starting. Can't imagine Pozzo will be spending any money on that position this summer though so it's moot.
     
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  34. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Bachmann is a great shot stopper and everything sticks to him. I've never seen a keeper better at holding onto a shot.

    But he is terrified about coming off his line. Petrified is a very appropriate word actually. And for that reason if he's our number 1 next season I fear for us.

    The owners must be ruthless. That's the main reason we stayed up for 5 years. The sentimentality and loyalty that seems to be creeping into our club is not a good thing if staying up is our priority.
     
  35. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Thing is RC you think that every player we got is crap bar 3 or 4 of them. I don't think most people on here would disagree that most of our players are without flaws that could get exposed in the PL, however we cannot replace 10-12 players this summer with upgrades so we will have to field a number of players who featured this season.
     

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